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The EU today is about as far from being an empire as the US was in the "Articles of Confederation" era (roughly 1781-1789): States are sovreign, the federal bo
by ben_w 5mo ago
The EU today is about as far from being an empire as the US was in the "Articles of Confederation" era (roughly 1781-1789):
States are sovreign, the federal body doesn't have direct powers of taxation and the money it does get is what the states tell it it's getting, foreign policy only happens to extent individual states say it does, lacks a fully unified financial system, more about interstate commerce than anything else.
But yes, if you hate that and want to spend 6-8% GDP not having it, this is absolutely within the rights of the people to decide that.
Of course, if they didn't want that and just plain didn't believe the people who accurately explained the cost, that's an argument for undoing it. Lying politicians isn't at all unique here, and unfortunately politicians saying the decision is permanent and irreversable is also not at all unique, but it is anti-democratic.
- calvinmorrison 5mo agoWhat happened after the articles of Confederation?
- ben_w 5mo agoWikipedia has history pages if you really care. The US is not an empire in the historical sense; and if you stretch definitions enough to make it count, that would make the US an "empire" which the UK is very much still under the thumb of, and indeed the entire EU in aggregate would also be under the USA's thumb with or without the UK in it, while also making the EU the UK's best chance for leaving the USA's sphere of influence.