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Do you mean Flash and not Pro? I haven't tried it personally, but according to OpenRouter, the fastest DeekSeep V4 Pro providers are only ~50tps. That's slower

Do you mean Flash and not Pro? I haven't tried it personally, but according to OpenRouter, the fastest DeekSeep V4 Pro providers are only ~50tps. That's slower than Claude Opus. https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro?sort=throughput https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro?sort=throughp...

specproc 4mo ago
Yeah, flash is crazy fast, but I've found performance variable.
- binary0010 4mo ago
  Flash is amazing if you know the domain really well. E.g. occasionally it makes the dumbest mistakes you've ever seen and can't correct them. However it's fairly rare, and if you know the domain really well, occasionally popping in the code and pushing it towards the correct solution takes like 20seconds or whatever. So the speed you can move with flash + high domain knowledge beats opus by a mile in my experience. I tried to switch back to 4.8 for a bit when it came out, feels so bad waiting 20mins for a mediocre solution when I could have had everything complete - with multiple iteration cycles - in flash in like 3-5mins.
  - addozhang 4mo ago
    Yes, you don't need much domain knowledge to use Opus, but it's just way too expensive.
    - 59nadir 4mo ago
      For losers who can't put together a program to save their life, have no real skills and were always not really interested in programming (hence their poor skills), renting a robot buddy to do it for them is a good deal, until the buddy cuts in materially into their salary, and until their bosses realize that they really just have robot operators on staff instead of people who can actually do things.
    - Induane 4mo ago
      It's nice when I want to be lazy though. Or when I'm working two contract gigs. I can spec things out for one and turn it loose and trust it. Then work more closely with deepseek on the other project.
sarjann 4mo ago
I don't think token speed matters as much when a lot of tokens are needed to achieve a task. E.g. artificial analysis benchmarks where deepseek v4 is one of the biggest token burners to go through the benchmark.
- brianwawok 4mo ago
  Both matter.
flowbarai 4mo ago
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SwellJoe 4mo ago
In recent benchmarking I've been doing, DeepSeek V4 Pro was the fastest of 21 models, by a comfortable margin (https://swelljoe.com/html/bench-report-final.html https://swelljoe.com/html/bench-report-final.html). Faster than Claude Opus 4.8, which was the second fastest (Mistral doesn't count because it seems to have refused to participate). But, it's a limited data set, just a few benchmark runs of a limited set of tasks. It's entirely possible I happened to be calling the API at its least busy time and maybe Claude got hit during a busy time.
flexagoon 4mo ago
No, I mean Pro. I use it through OpenCode Go so I don't know what provider it uses under the hood, but it's very fast in my experience.
thecopy 4mo ago
DS through OpenRouter is significantly slower than direct from DS platform in my experience

specproc 4mo ago

Yeah, flash is crazy fast, but I've found performance variable.

binary0010 4mo ago
Flash is amazing if you know the domain really well. E.g. occasionally it makes the dumbest mistakes you've ever seen and can't correct them. However it's fairly rare, and if you know the domain really well, occasionally popping in the code and pushing it towards the correct solution takes like 20seconds or whatever. So the speed you can move with flash + high domain knowledge beats opus by a mile in my experience. I tried to switch back to 4.8 for a bit when it came out, feels so bad waiting 20mins for a mediocre solution when I could have had everything complete - with multiple iteration cycles - in flash in like 3-5mins.
- addozhang 4mo ago
  Yes, you don't need much domain knowledge to use Opus, but it's just way too expensive.
  - 59nadir 4mo ago
    For losers who can't put together a program to save their life, have no real skills and were always not really interested in programming (hence their poor skills), renting a robot buddy to do it for them is a good deal, until the buddy cuts in materially into their salary, and until their bosses realize that they really just have robot operators on staff instead of people who can actually do things.
  - Induane 4mo ago
    It's nice when I want to be lazy though. Or when I'm working two contract gigs. I can spec things out for one and turn it loose and trust it. Then work more closely with deepseek on the other project.

sarjann 4mo ago

I don't think token speed matters as much when a lot of tokens are needed to achieve a task. E.g. artificial analysis benchmarks where deepseek v4 is one of the biggest token burners to go through the benchmark.

brianwawok 4mo ago
Both matter.

flowbarai 4mo ago

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SwellJoe 4mo ago

In recent benchmarking I've been doing, DeepSeek V4 Pro was the fastest of 21 models, by a comfortable margin (https://swelljoe.com/html/bench-report-final.html https://swelljoe.com/html/bench-report-final.html). Faster than Claude Opus 4.8, which was the second fastest (Mistral doesn't count because it seems to have refused to participate). But, it's a limited data set, just a few benchmark runs of a limited set of tasks. It's entirely possible I happened to be calling the API at its least busy time and maybe Claude got hit during a busy time.

flexagoon 4mo ago

No, I mean Pro. I use it through OpenCode Go so I don't know what provider it uses under the hood, but it's very fast in my experience.

thecopy 4mo ago

DS through OpenRouter is significantly slower than direct from DS platform in my experience