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I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this. Facebook is a commercial service that aims to make money from advertising to its users. That is the goal. Ke

by iyulaev 14y ago

I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this. Facebook is a commercial service that aims to make money from advertising to its users. That is the goal. Keeping the info (that you willingly put up!) private is only important insofar as it doesn't upset users enough for them to leave. Experience has shown so far that the majority of users don't care enough about privacy to stop using their service. Furthermore I can't even think of any other commercial service providers that allow users to vote on their policies. Actions speak louder than words; if you want facebook to change its course, vote with your $ and your feet.

Haul4ss 14y ago
This. Seriously, you're not paying for the service. You are the product being sold. Don't like it? Go somewhere else.
- rhizome 14y ago
  Is this really all that can be said? Because it's brought up in every single FB-policy thread.
  - iyulaev 14y ago
    What else do you want said? Regulate facebook? Yes, they're scummy. But they didn't force you to put your personal info or photos on there. Don't want the internet to know something? Don't post it on facebook.
    - rhizome 14y ago
      I don't know, but Anil Dash is the one bringing it up. Why aren't those who write as if there is something else going on subject to criticism in these threads if it's so obvious? From these responses to posts on the topic you'd think that "control and FB" stories would exist in the same thoughtspace as "One Weird Trick..." ads.
    - argv_empty 14y ago
      Also make sure nobody else posts it on Facebook.
      - jrockway 14y ago
        That's not a new problem, right? Anyone can publish anything about anyone else, pretty much. That's the foundation of about 99% of celebrity magazines.
        graue 14y ago
        For non-celebrities, it very much is a new problem. Facebook, cheap digital cameras and widespread internet use have turned average people into paparazzi. You can be a regular Joe Schmoe, go to a party, and have everyone you know looking at pics the next day (or the same night). That didn't happen 10 years ago if you weren't famous.
- creativityland 14y ago
  Google's umbrella.
- aeturnum 14y ago
  >you're not paying for the service. You are the product being sold. This line bothers me because the relationship is more complex than that. You are receiving services from Facebook and in return you are giving them your information. Facebook does not sell your information to anyone - instead they sell the ability to advertise to different groups of users (who you are one of). To say that you are the product implies that companies are getting "you," but they are only getting ads displayed on Facebook. They do not have any idea about you or your specific information. If you don't give Facebook information, it directly hurts Facebook. If you don't browse Facebook, it directly hurts Facebook. Their revenue absolutely depends on users enjoying their service. Broadcast television uses a similar model, but no one accuses them of "selling" their users.
  - Karunamon 14y ago
    Thank you for putting into words something I've wanted to say for a long time. "You're being sold!!!1" is the belabored rallying cry of the social media hater (and often the tinfoil worthy privacy nutter on a level that would make even rms reconsider). I'd take it a step further though and say the entire "you're being sold!!!eleven" isn't contingent on the level of information an advertiser gets about you (of which, like you said, they simply don't have), it's a pithy saying with zero basis in reality used by those with a hipster mindset, who feel somehow superior for not using that damn money grubbing Zuck's advertising site. If you (the general you, not you you) don't want to use Facebook because it's a timesink, or because you don't have friends on it, or because it could cause you negative real life consequences, or whatever else fine - just do me a huge favor and spare me the breathless moralizing and predictions of dystopian "papers please" futures. You don't have to justify yourself to some random on the internet, and I kind of wish you wouldn't besides.
  - shmerl 14y ago
    You use a false premise, that in order to create a social network, it has to be set up to profit from users information through advertisement. Who said it has to be so in the first place?
    - aeturnum 14y ago
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nerdfiles 14y ago
Facebook is exploiting peoples' interests in finding new ways to expose themselves, it is both their guide and expositor to self-discovery. Its user base is building the bottom floor of social media (data). The users need to sacrifice their privacy to be interesting at all; FB is exploiting a feature of the human condition that we depend on for social survivability. Recall returning certain species to "the wild." This, I believe, is why some "autistics" breakdown.
natrius 14y ago
I care about my privacy to an extent, and in my experience, Facebook's privacy tools give me more control over my privacy than any other product on the internet (except email, perhaps). To assert that Facebook users must simply not care about their privacy is to be blind to the possibility that most users are comfortable with the controls Facebook has provided.

by iyulaev 14y ago

Haul4ss 14y ago

This. Seriously, you're not paying for the service. You are the product being sold. Don't like it? Go somewhere else.

rhizome 14y ago
Is this really all that can be said? Because it's brought up in every single FB-policy thread.
- iyulaev 14y ago
  What else do you want said? Regulate facebook? Yes, they're scummy. But they didn't force you to put your personal info or photos on there. Don't want the internet to know something? Don't post it on facebook.
  - rhizome 14y ago
    I don't know, but Anil Dash is the one bringing it up. Why aren't those who write as if there is something else going on subject to criticism in these threads if it's so obvious? From these responses to posts on the topic you'd think that "control and FB" stories would exist in the same thoughtspace as "One Weird Trick..." ads.
  - argv_empty 14y ago
    Also make sure nobody else posts it on Facebook.
    - jrockway 14y ago
      That's not a new problem, right? Anyone can publish anything about anyone else, pretty much. That's the foundation of about 99% of celebrity magazines.
      - graue 14y ago
        For non-celebrities, it very much is a new problem. Facebook, cheap digital cameras and widespread internet use have turned average people into paparazzi. You can be a regular Joe Schmoe, go to a party, and have everyone you know looking at pics the next day (or the same night). That didn't happen 10 years ago if you weren't famous.
creativityland 14y ago
Google's umbrella.
aeturnum 14y ago
>you're not paying for the service. You are the product being sold. This line bothers me because the relationship is more complex than that. You are receiving services from Facebook and in return you are giving them your information. Facebook does not sell your information to anyone - instead they sell the ability to advertise to different groups of users (who you are one of). To say that you are the product implies that companies are getting "you," but they are only getting ads displayed on Facebook. They do not have any idea about you or your specific information. If you don't give Facebook information, it directly hurts Facebook. If you don't browse Facebook, it directly hurts Facebook. Their revenue absolutely depends on users enjoying their service. Broadcast television uses a similar model, but no one accuses them of "selling" their users.
- Karunamon 14y ago
  Thank you for putting into words something I've wanted to say for a long time. "You're being sold!!!1" is the belabored rallying cry of the social media hater (and often the tinfoil worthy privacy nutter on a level that would make even rms reconsider). I'd take it a step further though and say the entire "you're being sold!!!eleven" isn't contingent on the level of information an advertiser gets about you (of which, like you said, they simply don't have), it's a pithy saying with zero basis in reality used by those with a hipster mindset, who feel somehow superior for not using that damn money grubbing Zuck's advertising site. If you (the general you, not you you) don't want to use Facebook because it's a timesink, or because you don't have friends on it, or because it could cause you negative real life consequences, or whatever else fine - just do me a huge favor and spare me the breathless moralizing and predictions of dystopian "papers please" futures. You don't have to justify yourself to some random on the internet, and I kind of wish you wouldn't besides.
- shmerl 14y ago
  You use a false premise, that in order to create a social network, it has to be set up to profit from users information through advertisement. Who said it has to be so in the first place?
  - aeturnum 14y ago

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nerdfiles 14y ago

Facebook is exploiting peoples' interests in finding new ways to expose themselves, it is both their guide and expositor to self-discovery. Its user base is building the bottom floor of social media (data). The users need to sacrifice their privacy to be interesting at all; FB is exploiting a feature of the human condition that we depend on for social survivability. Recall returning certain species to "the wild." This, I believe, is why some "autistics" breakdown.

natrius 14y ago

I care about my privacy to an extent, and in my experience, Facebook's privacy tools give me more control over my privacy than any other product on the internet (except email, perhaps). To assert that Facebook users must simply not care about their privacy is to be blind to the possibility that most users are comfortable with the controls Facebook has provided.