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The most extreme virtue-signal is to go completely browser-default and have no styling whatsoever. Like lowercasing because your pinky can't be arsed to reach f
by padolsey 4mo ago
The most extreme virtue-signal is to go completely browser-default and have no styling whatsoever. Like lowercasing because your pinky can't be arsed to reach for the shift-key even though you've a billion dollars in series A.
- Waterluvian 4mo agoNetscape knows best.
- ghurtado 4mo agoGive me Navigator or give me death
- MrBuddyCasino 4mo agoArray language proponents also like to do this. In their case I‘ll allow it, it matches the substance.
- arboles 4mo agoCan you link to a genuine example?
- MrBuddyCasino 4mo agoMinimalist example: https://kona.github.io/ https://kona.github.io/ Extremely Minimalist example: https://k.nyc/ https://k.nyc/
- arboles 4mo agoIn the pages you linked there's not much writing to really get a taste (https://k.nyc https://k.nyc responds with an unclosed <div> containing the letter k, come on), but I found some language examples in * https://codeberg.org/growler/k/pulls/ https://codeberg.org/growler/k/pulls/ * https://codeberg.org/growler/k/issues https://codeberg.org/growler/k/issues User @growler writes in succinct sentences and uses only periods. I'm having fun with the idea, in my head, that using array languages changes how you speak and write. HN commenters have also pointed out the peculiar way ngn/k writes C: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31362512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31362512
- MrBuddyCasino 4mo agoI didn’t find the examples I was thinking of unfortunately. But yeah it’s a very peculiar kind of Zen, all-encompassing.
- sph 4mo agoAh yes, the jeevacation special
- arm32 4mo agoCraziest m'island
- cmrdporcupine 4mo agolowercasing everything -- just means you're literate smart... poetic; because you read e.e.cummings and william carlos williams ... fin.
- psadauskas 4mo agoI've mostly stopped caring about using using proper capitalization, commas, grammar and spelling in my writing of comments, primarily as a signal that i'm not an llm.
- frantathefranta 4mo agoClaude's "write me a product description like a cool human would" is just using lower-case where it shouldn't be though.
- nozzlegear 4mo agoIf you turn on HN's "Show Dead" setting, there are tons of LLM-generated comments on stories related to AI. You can see the human(s) behind the LLM trying to fiddle with the style of comment by making them skip proper grammar, capitalization, use or avoid certain phrases, and so on. The biggest tell for LLM content, though, is just the content as a whole: it sounds fake and ungenuine, like it passed through a committee of hostage negotiators to remove the speaker's own attachment/expectations. They can configure it to use all lowercase letters, skip em-dashes, make grammar mistakes, stop saying "it's not X, it's Y", or whatever, yet the content itself just has a fake quality to it that makes it stand out, which is why those comments still get flagged IMO.
- oneneptune 4mo agoThe uncanny valley of text. It looks and sounds like a human, but lacks the "soul" / humanity that our intuition somehow perceives. It's really strange... I see some text with obvious tropes and sometimes I read something and there's no obvious AI trope... but it's just not human?
- nozzlegear 4mo ago> The uncanny valley of text. Exactly, that's a great way to describe it.
- Cthulhu_ 4mo agoAnd yet, while on HN we're critical readers and can still see through it, there's many places on the internet where it just wouldn't stand out. I try to avoid them, but they would just blend in to e.g. youtube comments. Unless the YT comments I've read have been bots since forever.
- davedx 4mo agoVirtue-signalling or just the daddy? https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/ https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/
- thomascgalvin 4mo agohttps://www.berkshirehathaway.com/ https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/
- andy_ppp 4mo agoMy god, it's perfect.
- sph 4mo ago<meta name="GENERATOR" content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18828"></head> <body link="#800080" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000080" vlink="#ff0000"><b><font size="6"> <p align="center">B</font><font size="4">ERKSHIRE </font> God, that takes me back. MSHTML, the mismatched tags, <font>, table layout, the webmaster that added the Google Analytics snippet before the DOCTYPE tag
- halapro 4mo agoEw. I mean 500 bytes of CSS would make this so much better.
- isatty 4mo agoNo. It’s perfect as is. I can find everything I want. Everything is accessible to everyone and screen readers. Does not require JavaScript.
- crabmusket 4mo agoThe home page links are teeny tiny on a phone screen, borderline unreadable.
- holowoodman 4mo agoThat's because phone browsers have the insane braindead default of scaling everything into tiny unreadableness. You have to explicitly say "stupid browser, nobody ever wanted this shit, behave sensibly by including <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0">. No idea why this idiotic custom still hasn't been purged from mobile browsers, but I guess it's just a valuable tradition now... Before mobile browsers arrived, everything was fine and nobody needed meta viewport stuff. That's why this 1997 era page doesn't have it.
- xnx 4mo ago"Countersignaling" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersignaling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersignaling) might be the better word: "Countersignaling is the behavior in which agents with the highest level of a given property invest less into proving it than individuals with a medium level of the same property."
- Cthulhu_ 4mo agoThis is a great one to put in my vocabulary. It also ties into the "vocal minority" thing where people that aren't actually the best people to talk about an issue are the most visible.