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I really don’t know why there isn’t a brand that’s capitalising on this. Messaging, calls, maps, notes but no way to take or view images. Marketed simply from

by tombot 4mo ago

I really don’t know why there isn’t a brand that’s capitalising on this. Messaging, calls, maps, notes but no way to take or view images. Marketed simply from a global brand.

delusional 4mo ago
Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished.
- smelendez 4mo ago
  Images are also a huge part of messaging. For memes obviously, but also other communication (here’s the flyer for the event, look what the teacher wrote on my exam, should I get this gift for mom, look what my significant other sent me — what do you think I should say?), etc.
- esseph 4mo ago
  > Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished. Shocker, but those are probably not the people you are going to give a shit about after you leave school.
  - wizzwizz4 4mo ago
    Shocker, but a lot of psychological damage can be done before you leave school. Do children really not have value, except as far as they become adults?
    - esseph 4mo ago
      > Do children really not have value, except as far as they become adults? Of course they do, which is why any sane (imo) parent wouldn't let their child on social media to begin with. Basically feeding your child's developing brain into the dopamine farm, along with the "it's on the internet forever" tax. Social media is a cancer, not some bizare tool for their social or economic wellbeing or general happiness.
      - wizzwizz4 4mo ago
        While I agree that the most popular social media systems have been engineered to be extremely harmful, and something I would seek to protect the children under my care from, this is unrelated to the comment I was responding to. "This won't feel important when you're an adult" is a really bad argument.
        esseph 4mo ago
        Two of mine have come to adulthood in the past 7 years. They're fine. Didn't turn purple or become social outcasts.
- mothballed 4mo ago
  I knew so many kids that got into selling cigarettes, alcohol, or weed because their parents did not want to buy them things that would facilitate social integration. Most optimistically, if you don't give a kid a smart phone then they're going to mow lawns or something and get one and hide it; that scenario isn't really a bad one.
- HlessClaudesman 4mo ago
  Parents need to weigh potential otracization against the cost of giving a smart device, which could be as high as ending their normal childhood development. Personally I think no phones until 16 is a good rule.
  - tokioyoyo 4mo ago
    Easier to say. Your child will just despise you for willingly making their school life hell.
    - HlessClaudesman 4mo ago
      I'm living it. They don't despise me, yet. My youngest just spent a rainy afternoon reading books, drawing pictures, and is now breaking out a boardgame, the horror! Hopefully they grow up well adjusted and come to appreciate the sacrifice. Cell phone and social media addictions arn't inevitabilities they are choices.
      - tokioyoyo 4mo ago
        I really hope it goes well! I’m in favour of smartphone bans, but I can see how it sucks when you’re the only one without access to it. I was a teenager once after all. That being said, I can’t imagine myself drawing pictures, or playing boardgames every day with my friends when I was 13. Wouldn’t be happy if my parents didn’t let me play WoW/AoM with my friends. Obviously everyone is different, and I’m in no place to say you’re doing it wrong. Just trying to say how it would suck if I couldn’t do something that all my peers are allowed to do. This all is the main reason why I support nation-wide social media bans. Would solve the issue if no kids were allowed.
    - akramachamarei 4mo ago
      I went through high school until almost 16 with no phone whatsoever. Twas fine. I remember peers around me for the most part had smartphones at the start of high school, maybe even some in middle school? I don't want to say exactly when this was for privacy, but I don't see why phoneless school living could be so disastrous. But then, I am a bit of an oddball and introvert.
kube-system 4mo ago
There are many brands that have tried the "phone that does less" angle. They haven't been very successful.
Markoff 4mo ago
there is, pretty much every single smartphone brand offers parental controls nobody stops you from limiting your kid to bunch of whitelisted apps, for instance whatsapp (it has parental controls as well), duolingo, wikipedia, phone, SMS, calculator, maps, flashlight, sudoku, chess, camera not exactly sure why you wanna ban cameras

by tombot 4mo ago

I really don’t know why there isn’t a brand that’s capitalising on this. Messaging, calls, maps, notes but no way to take or view images. Marketed simply from a global brand.

delusional 4mo ago

Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished.

smelendez 4mo ago
Images are also a huge part of messaging. For memes obviously, but also other communication (here’s the flyer for the event, look what the teacher wrote on my exam, should I get this gift for mom, look what my significant other sent me — what do you think I should say?), etc.
esseph 4mo ago
> Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished. Shocker, but those are probably not the people you are going to give a shit about after you leave school.
- wizzwizz4 4mo ago
  Shocker, but a lot of psychological damage can be done before you leave school. Do children really not have value, except as far as they become adults?
  - esseph 4mo ago
    > Do children really not have value, except as far as they become adults? Of course they do, which is why any sane (imo) parent wouldn't let their child on social media to begin with. Basically feeding your child's developing brain into the dopamine farm, along with the "it's on the internet forever" tax. Social media is a cancer, not some bizare tool for their social or economic wellbeing or general happiness.
    - wizzwizz4 4mo ago
      While I agree that the most popular social media systems have been engineered to be extremely harmful, and something I would seek to protect the children under my care from, this is unrelated to the comment I was responding to. "This won't feel important when you're an adult" is a really bad argument.
      - esseph 4mo ago
        Two of mine have come to adulthood in the past 7 years. They're fine. Didn't turn purple or become social outcasts.
mothballed 4mo ago
I knew so many kids that got into selling cigarettes, alcohol, or weed because their parents did not want to buy them things that would facilitate social integration. Most optimistically, if you don't give a kid a smart phone then they're going to mow lawns or something and get one and hide it; that scenario isn't really a bad one.
HlessClaudesman 4mo ago
Parents need to weigh potential otracization against the cost of giving a smart device, which could be as high as ending their normal childhood development. Personally I think no phones until 16 is a good rule.
- tokioyoyo 4mo ago
  Easier to say. Your child will just despise you for willingly making their school life hell.
  - HlessClaudesman 4mo ago
    I'm living it. They don't despise me, yet. My youngest just spent a rainy afternoon reading books, drawing pictures, and is now breaking out a boardgame, the horror! Hopefully they grow up well adjusted and come to appreciate the sacrifice. Cell phone and social media addictions arn't inevitabilities they are choices.
    - tokioyoyo 4mo ago
      I really hope it goes well! I’m in favour of smartphone bans, but I can see how it sucks when you’re the only one without access to it. I was a teenager once after all. That being said, I can’t imagine myself drawing pictures, or playing boardgames every day with my friends when I was 13. Wouldn’t be happy if my parents didn’t let me play WoW/AoM with my friends. Obviously everyone is different, and I’m in no place to say you’re doing it wrong. Just trying to say how it would suck if I couldn’t do something that all my peers are allowed to do. This all is the main reason why I support nation-wide social media bans. Would solve the issue if no kids were allowed.
  - akramachamarei 4mo ago
    I went through high school until almost 16 with no phone whatsoever. Twas fine. I remember peers around me for the most part had smartphones at the start of high school, maybe even some in middle school? I don't want to say exactly when this was for privacy, but I don't see why phoneless school living could be so disastrous. But then, I am a bit of an oddball and introvert.

kube-system 4mo ago

There are many brands that have tried the "phone that does less" angle. They haven't been very successful.

Markoff 4mo ago

there is, pretty much every single smartphone brand offers parental controls nobody stops you from limiting your kid to bunch of whitelisted apps, for instance whatsapp (it has parental controls as well), duolingo, wikipedia, phone, SMS, calculator, maps, flashlight, sudoku, chess, camera not exactly sure why you wanna ban cameras