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> Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech. Are you really trying to suggest that GDPR and PECR are bad pieces of legislation becaus

> Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech. Are you really trying to suggest that GDPR and PECR are bad pieces of legislation because businesses have decided that they’d prefer to give you a bad UX?

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sam_lowry_ 4mo ago
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- iamacyborg 4mo ago
  I read it in full years ago and found it quite clear. Which parts did you find to be vague?
  - dash2 4mo ago
    Look if everyone agrees the outcome of the law has been incredibly annoying, then that is ultimately down to the law and/or its enforcement. The point of the law is to provide incentives to self-interested actors for good behaviour. I see a lot of complacency in these threads, combined with a lot of frankly absurd posturing, like if anybody is against the GDPR, they must’ve been brainwashed by Elon Musk. No! People dislike it because they dislike its practical effects, and frankly the EU should take responsibility for that and try to fix it.
    - iamacyborg 4mo ago
      > People dislike it because they dislike its practical effects, and frankly the EU should take responsibility for that and try to fix it. What’s to fix? A business needs a legitimate reason to process personal data, people need to be sufficiently informed about how their data will be processed. These are not impossible obstacles. Anyone who claims otherwise is acting in bad faith because they know that people would not agree to what the business wants to do with their data.
      - burnerthrow008 4mo ago
        > What’s to fix? Is this not your own comment, from just a few hours ago, visible on the same viewport as this one? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48445299 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48445299 Why is it that so many years later, so many companies are still not compliant? That seems like a major problem to fix. You are replying to a comment complaining about the annoyance for users that the law has created. When will that be fixed? Why is it that all of the enforcement effort been so unevenly directed specifically at non-European companies? This subthread started with the statement "True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital." I think maybe you don't understand that the level of goodwill destroyed really is on par with the level of goodwill towards American that Trump has destroyed. Yes, it is really that bad. Yes, it is something that needs to be fixed.
        iamacyborg 4mo ago
        > Why is it that all of the enforcement effort been so unevenly directed specifically at non-European companies? Do you have any evidence of that? > You are replying to a comment complaining about the annoyance for users that the law has created. When will that be fixed? The law isn’t about fixing an annoyance to users. If you’re annoyed by bad UX, tell your boss to cut that shit out because they’re probably part of the problem too. What I struggle to understand is you’d rather have your privacy right absolutely derailed just so you have a couple things less to click. Wild.
gib444 4mo ago
Right. It’s the loopholes that make them bad
- iamacyborg 4mo ago
  What loopholes?
  - tcfhgj 4mo ago
    - digital services act mandates interoperability in chat, but apparently companies can put require obnoxious terms for interoperating parties such as sharing their users IP addresses - which service is going to agree to that if a very large portion of the alternatives target people not wanting to share data with Facebook? - pay "ridiculous price" or accept ads & tracking instead of allowing to disable tracking
    - em-bee 4mo ago
      i haven't heard about the first one yet. i totally believe it, but do we have an actual example of facebooks demands? are they documented somewhere? the second one i experience daily and it's driving me nuts. i am sure it is actually illegal, but i have yet to find an explanation on why it should be allowed or a convincing legal argument in why it actually violates the rules. something that i could send to violators.
      - em-bee 4mo ago
        the explanation is here: https://noyb.eu/en/frequently-asked-questions-about-pay-or-okay https://noyb.eu/en/frequently-asked-questions-about-pay-or-o...
    - iamacyborg 4mo ago
      NOYB have raised a complaint on the second one for a publisher in the Nordics. https://noyb.eu/en/nordic-media-giant-schibsted-switches-pay-or-okay-complaint-filed https://noyb.eu/en/nordic-media-giant-schibsted-switches-pay...

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sam_lowry_ 4mo ago

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iamacyborg 4mo ago
I read it in full years ago and found it quite clear. Which parts did you find to be vague?
- dash2 4mo ago
  Look if everyone agrees the outcome of the law has been incredibly annoying, then that is ultimately down to the law and/or its enforcement. The point of the law is to provide incentives to self-interested actors for good behaviour. I see a lot of complacency in these threads, combined with a lot of frankly absurd posturing, like if anybody is against the GDPR, they must’ve been brainwashed by Elon Musk. No! People dislike it because they dislike its practical effects, and frankly the EU should take responsibility for that and try to fix it.
  - iamacyborg 4mo ago
    > People dislike it because they dislike its practical effects, and frankly the EU should take responsibility for that and try to fix it. What’s to fix? A business needs a legitimate reason to process personal data, people need to be sufficiently informed about how their data will be processed. These are not impossible obstacles. Anyone who claims otherwise is acting in bad faith because they know that people would not agree to what the business wants to do with their data.
    - burnerthrow008 4mo ago
      > What’s to fix? Is this not your own comment, from just a few hours ago, visible on the same viewport as this one? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48445299 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48445299 Why is it that so many years later, so many companies are still not compliant? That seems like a major problem to fix. You are replying to a comment complaining about the annoyance for users that the law has created. When will that be fixed? Why is it that all of the enforcement effort been so unevenly directed specifically at non-European companies? This subthread started with the statement "True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital." I think maybe you don't understand that the level of goodwill destroyed really is on par with the level of goodwill towards American that Trump has destroyed. Yes, it is really that bad. Yes, it is something that needs to be fixed.
      - iamacyborg 4mo ago
        > Why is it that all of the enforcement effort been so unevenly directed specifically at non-European companies? Do you have any evidence of that? > You are replying to a comment complaining about the annoyance for users that the law has created. When will that be fixed? The law isn’t about fixing an annoyance to users. If you’re annoyed by bad UX, tell your boss to cut that shit out because they’re probably part of the problem too. What I struggle to understand is you’d rather have your privacy right absolutely derailed just so you have a couple things less to click. Wild.

gib444 4mo ago

Right. It’s the loopholes that make them bad

iamacyborg 4mo ago
What loopholes?
- tcfhgj 4mo ago
  - digital services act mandates interoperability in chat, but apparently companies can put require obnoxious terms for interoperating parties such as sharing their users IP addresses - which service is going to agree to that if a very large portion of the alternatives target people not wanting to share data with Facebook? - pay "ridiculous price" or accept ads & tracking instead of allowing to disable tracking
  - em-bee 4mo ago
    i haven't heard about the first one yet. i totally believe it, but do we have an actual example of facebooks demands? are they documented somewhere? the second one i experience daily and it's driving me nuts. i am sure it is actually illegal, but i have yet to find an explanation on why it should be allowed or a convincing legal argument in why it actually violates the rules. something that i could send to violators.
    - em-bee 4mo ago
      the explanation is here: https://noyb.eu/en/frequently-asked-questions-about-pay-or-okay https://noyb.eu/en/frequently-asked-questions-about-pay-or-o...
  - iamacyborg 4mo ago
    NOYB have raised a complaint on the second one for a publisher in the Nordics. https://noyb.eu/en/nordic-media-giant-schibsted-switches-pay-or-okay-complaint-filed https://noyb.eu/en/nordic-media-giant-schibsted-switches-pay...