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You gave the argument that Grok isn't trustable because of their nazi fails. My argument was that you're maybe a bit biased, because similar issues have happen

You gave the argument that Grok isn't trustable because of their nazi fails. My argument was that you're maybe a bit biased, because similar issues have happened with other prominent companies. Both companies corrected themselves on the issues. I don't think your argument has much ground right now. Grok might be leaning into a certain direction, but you can say that about any AI or news station.

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Timon3 4mo ago
As someone stumbling across this thread: the idea that, in regards to bias, a real person might actually consider these two events in any way comparable is honestly leaving me stunned. I can't find the right words to describe how sickening it is to see Nazism being treated as just as banally acceptable as any other political direction.
- gitaarik 4mo ago
  You're misreading. Nazism isn't being treated as acceptable, neither is wokeism. Both companies have apologized for these incidents, and have addressed the problems.
  - Timon3 4mo ago
    No, I'm understanding you perfectly well.
    - Lerc 4mo ago
      You understand their point of view and are just rejecting it? And commenting to express disagreement but not bothering to say why? I don't quite understand what's going on here?
    - gitaarik 4mo ago
      You said Nazism is being accepted like other political movements. But nobody (in this thread) ever said something like that.
      - cherry_tree 4mo ago
        From my and seemingly others’ reading, you have equated Nazi and woke very directly in your comments. Do you feel you have you not?
        gitaarik 4mo ago
        I haven't equated them, I've used them as examples of opposite extremes. I think Nazism is extreme right, and wokeism is extreme left. It's both out of balance. And Google and xAI both acknowledged that, and addressed the problems.
        cherry_tree 4mo ago
        You are equating them right here. Calling them equal opposites is equating them. It implies woke is just as bad as nazi.
        gitaarik 4mo ago
        Yeah, don't you agree? Edit: when woke wants to change historical facts like that nazi soldiers used to be black, yes I think it's just as wrong as to be racist
        cherry_tree 4mo ago
        No I think nazis killed millions of people and “woke” has done nothing remotely similar.
        gitaarik 4mo ago
        Nazi is the terminology you chose for referring to past Grok issues. Woke is the terminology I used to refer to past Gemini issues. Regardless of the terminology, I think we should look at the issues themselves, and not mindlessly apply a certain ideaology upon a company for certain past issues. In short: maybe xAI aren't the nazi's you seem to think they are, and maybe this woke movement that you seem to adore isn't as innocent as they make themselves out to be.
cherry_tree 4mo ago
@dang can you explain how the comment below me got marked dead? How many flags did it receive? By whom? This is genuinely very concerning, this comment is not off topic or in anyway deserving to be flagged. Do you or the other moderator disagree with that statement? Here is the text of the comment in question: “As someone stumbling across this thread: the idea that, in regards to bias, a real person might actually consider these two events in any way comparable is honestly leaving me stunned. I can't find the right words to describe how sickening it is to see Nazism being treated as just as banally acceptable as any other political direction.”
- dang 4mo ago
  Moderation on HN doesn't have to do with whether we agree or disagree with a post. If it did, most of the posts here would be dead. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48451979 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48451979 was classified by our software as genai. That's not allowed on HN - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079. All such classifiers are imperfect, of course, but we have no choice but to use them because HN is being inundated with content that has been either generated or edited by LLMs, and the community feels strongly about this. I've unkilled the comment now, although its information/indignation ratio is low enough that I would not call it a good comment for HN, and no, that doesn't mean I disagree with it. While I have you: can you also please stop breaking the site guidelines, such as by posting flamebait, snark, and using HN for ideological battle? You've been doing this repeatedly, (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48433250 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48433250, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48420491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48420491 in this thread, as well as crossing into personal attack elsewhere). We're trying for something different here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
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Timon3 4mo ago

As someone stumbling across this thread: the idea that, in regards to bias, a real person might actually consider these two events in any way comparable is honestly leaving me stunned. I can't find the right words to describe how sickening it is to see Nazism being treated as just as banally acceptable as any other political direction.

gitaarik 4mo ago
You're misreading. Nazism isn't being treated as acceptable, neither is wokeism. Both companies have apologized for these incidents, and have addressed the problems.
- Timon3 4mo ago
  No, I'm understanding you perfectly well.
  - Lerc 4mo ago
    You understand their point of view and are just rejecting it? And commenting to express disagreement but not bothering to say why? I don't quite understand what's going on here?
  - gitaarik 4mo ago
    You said Nazism is being accepted like other political movements. But nobody (in this thread) ever said something like that.
    - cherry_tree 4mo ago
      From my and seemingly others’ reading, you have equated Nazi and woke very directly in your comments. Do you feel you have you not?
      - gitaarik 4mo ago
        I haven't equated them, I've used them as examples of opposite extremes. I think Nazism is extreme right, and wokeism is extreme left. It's both out of balance. And Google and xAI both acknowledged that, and addressed the problems.
        cherry_tree 4mo ago
        You are equating them right here. Calling them equal opposites is equating them. It implies woke is just as bad as nazi.
        gitaarik 4mo ago
        Yeah, don't you agree? Edit: when woke wants to change historical facts like that nazi soldiers used to be black, yes I think it's just as wrong as to be racist
        cherry_tree 4mo ago
        No I think nazis killed millions of people and “woke” has done nothing remotely similar.
        gitaarik 4mo ago
        Nazi is the terminology you chose for referring to past Grok issues. Woke is the terminology I used to refer to past Gemini issues. Regardless of the terminology, I think we should look at the issues themselves, and not mindlessly apply a certain ideaology upon a company for certain past issues. In short: maybe xAI aren't the nazi's you seem to think they are, and maybe this woke movement that you seem to adore isn't as innocent as they make themselves out to be.

cherry_tree 4mo ago

@dang can you explain how the comment below me got marked dead? How many flags did it receive? By whom? This is genuinely very concerning, this comment is not off topic or in anyway deserving to be flagged. Do you or the other moderator disagree with that statement? Here is the text of the comment in question: “As someone stumbling across this thread: the idea that, in regards to bias, a real person might actually consider these two events in any way comparable is honestly leaving me stunned. I can't find the right words to describe how sickening it is to see Nazism being treated as just as banally acceptable as any other political direction.”

dang 4mo ago
Moderation on HN doesn't have to do with whether we agree or disagree with a post. If it did, most of the posts here would be dead. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48451979 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48451979 was classified by our software as genai. That's not allowed on HN - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079. All such classifiers are imperfect, of course, but we have no choice but to use them because HN is being inundated with content that has been either generated or edited by LLMs, and the community feels strongly about this. I've unkilled the comment now, although its information/indignation ratio is low enough that I would not call it a good comment for HN, and no, that doesn't mean I disagree with it. While I have you: can you also please stop breaking the site guidelines, such as by posting flamebait, snark, and using HN for ideological battle? You've been doing this repeatedly, (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48433250 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48433250, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48420491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48420491 in this thread, as well as crossing into personal attack elsewhere). We're trying for something different here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
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