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> That's the thing. On a bike you can do everything right and still lose. Same with a car, or anything really. The point of parent stands, globally there are
by embedding-shape 5mo ago
> That's the thing. On a bike you can do everything right and still lose.
Same with a car, or anything really.
The point of parent stands, globally there are billions of people going through their lives with motorcycles as their main vehicles, yet aren't involved in any life-changing accidents.
Some places are more dangerous than others, probably places that doesn't have this already motorcycle-heavy culture, like other countries in the world, has a higher incident rate and more severe accidents, as drivers aren't aware of how motorcycles usually operate.
- robobro 5mo agoI live in Indonesia. We have the highest per-capita rate of bike ownership in the world. I have seen what happens to motorcycle riders when there are accidents and I have seen what happens to car drivers when there are accidents. I won't get into the gory details but I avoid using bikes as much as possible.
- embedding-shape 5mo agoAnd I've seen what happens when pedestrians get hit by a car going way too fast, it sucks, and is horrible, but also besides the point. Not to say one has worse/better accidents, motorcycles accidents obviously has a much higher fatality and serious injuries risk, hard to deny.
- ProllyInfamous 5mo ago>but also besides the point. Hard disagree. Both pedestrians and motorcyclists are raw to the elements, entirely. At least when on roadways an automobile provides a chassis/rollcage.
- embedding-shape 5mo agoYou disagree with me agreeing with what you just wrote about it being more dangerous to go with motorcycles? The "besides the point" is that the point I was raising was how common motorcycles are, globally. Is that what you're disagreeing with?
- ProllyInfamous 5mo agoLet me read both these comments some more, because after this one (above): I'm even more confused. Quickly: we seem to agree that motorcycles are dangerous and worldwide their predominance is mostly correlated with poverty (unlike US outlaw/biker culture). I had associated your beside the point with a biker being more-safe than a pedestrian -- is that what you meant? ---- I have done 120mph in both vehicles, car and motorcycle – and won't ever go over 55mph on a dirtbike (only, offroad); never again on-road riding.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago> worldwide their predominance is mostly correlated with poverty (unlike US outlaw/biker culture). Huh? No, it's mostly correlated with working class and below, hardly "correlated with poverty", at least the places I'm familiar with. I do agree they're dangerous. I don't agree that everyone should always avoid everything dangerous simply because it's dangerous.
- qmr 5mo agoWhen vulnerable road users are killed in other countries there is strict liability. That is, the driver is assumed at fault unless proven otherwise. In America it's the perfect crime. "I'm so sorry officer I never saw them." Case closed Lou.
- ProllyInfamous 5mo ago~>here in America Which is why yesterday, in my mid-sized Southern City: after a motorcyclist hit&ran off the Interstate (dead, into a guardrail; 35, helmet'd/licensed, obeying traffic laws), the local biker clubs put down their swords and rallied in the median well after the accident occurred (as my local newspaper noted). With all these millions already-spent on Flock cameræ, and T-DOT having dozens more (of their own)... you'd think we'd'a'already caught these guys.!? ---- It's so sad that lack of accountability results in fleeing manslaughterers... but here we are.
- qmr 5mo agoCrashes. Not accidents.
- coldtea 5mo agoAccidents. Not everything is under the driver's control, nor does it happen due to their intention (or even necessarily due to their lack of attention or whatever). There's a reason the term accident is used (I know at least 10 countries where the meaning is the same).
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- qmr 5mo agoCrash. Google crash not accident will give many resources. https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/travel/safety/road-users/crash-not-accident https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/travel/safety/road-users/crash... > there's a reason Yes, the auto lobby. Saying "accident" implies that the tens of thousands of road deaths every year are an unavoidable consequence of the convenience of driving. That's just not true.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago> Saying "accident" implies that the tens of thousands of road deaths every year are an unavoidable consequence of the convenience of driving. What? Where is that conclusion coming from? There can be thousands of "accidents" and they can all be preventable, calling it "crash" or "accident" doesn't imply if it's preventable or not. Talk about arbitrary hill to die on, very inconsequential. Why is this somehow so important? FWIW, countries like Sweden call them "accidents" yet treat them as preventable and something to aim to minimize, not sure why it'd matter so much if someone call it accident or not.
- qmr 5mo agoPlease don't say accident when you really mean crash. Promote language of responsibility and accountability.
- embedding-shape 5mo agoMost crashes, but not all, are accidents. I think I'm talking about accidents, not crashes.
- qmr 5mo agoSomeone is always at fault. Look into auto lobby and this "accident" term history. Use the language of accountability.
- coldtea 5mo ago>Someone is always at fault. Only by a very lose definition of "fault", chosen for moralistic purposes. Of course people saying what you say, if it happens to them, they'll suddenly swear theirs was a real accident.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago"Crash" sounds like it just happened by chance or for whatever reason. "Accident" makes it sound like something went wrong, maybe someone did something wrong, and then something happened because of that, maybe a crash, maybe something else. I still think "accident" is more accurate, so I'll continue to use that. Thanks for explaining though!
- ProllyInfamous 5mo agoMy vehicle has collision insurance – is this an intermediary term (or something more specific)?
- qmr 4mo agoIt's fine. Certainly far preferable to accident.