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That's an interesting perspective. It's hard for me to relate to it because I haven't worked in a job where I just have to ship code 'for work' in so long. Bein

That's an interesting perspective. It's hard for me to relate to it because I haven't worked in a job where I just have to ship code 'for work' in so long. Being a more or less one-man software company, all my work projects, but especially our products, feel like personal projects. However, if I were just having to do things for the man, I might have a rather different take on all this.

hax0ron3 4mo ago
Yup, I can definitely imagine that it's different if you're working directly for customers and have the freedom to do things however you want to do them as long as you still make a living.
- abalashov 4mo ago
  The flip side is that if you have that creative control, then LLMs have _definitely_ sucked the joy out of programming, and in the worst way.
  - auggierose 4mo ago
    I don't think that is true. If you have the creative control, and LLMs suck the joy out of programming, then you and I have very different ideas about what that joy was in the first place. I enjoy programming both on a very high and a very low level, and both are more fun with LLMs. On the low-level, you can use that to create the building blocks that the LLM then just has to combine. And on the high-level, you can use that to steer the design in a way the LLM would never be able to, but with the help of the LLM you can connect that high-level design much faster to the low-level building blocks.
  - Chu4eeno 4mo ago
    Maybe try using them differently (I tend to use them like static analyzers I can yell at/argue with, and honestly less straining than trying to parse a Coverity report), or just avoid them. Mental health is more important than 20% gain or loss (depending on which study supports your prejudices) in productivity.
oblio 4mo ago
You're probably 1 in 10 000 programmers. Most programmers are just regular employees, the vast majority in non tech companies.
- abalashov 4mo ago
  Yeah. It's easy to forget that sometimes.

hax0ron3 4mo ago

Yup, I can definitely imagine that it's different if you're working directly for customers and have the freedom to do things however you want to do them as long as you still make a living.

abalashov 4mo ago
The flip side is that if you have that creative control, then LLMs have _definitely_ sucked the joy out of programming, and in the worst way.
- auggierose 4mo ago
  I don't think that is true. If you have the creative control, and LLMs suck the joy out of programming, then you and I have very different ideas about what that joy was in the first place. I enjoy programming both on a very high and a very low level, and both are more fun with LLMs. On the low-level, you can use that to create the building blocks that the LLM then just has to combine. And on the high-level, you can use that to steer the design in a way the LLM would never be able to, but with the help of the LLM you can connect that high-level design much faster to the low-level building blocks.
- Chu4eeno 4mo ago
  Maybe try using them differently (I tend to use them like static analyzers I can yell at/argue with, and honestly less straining than trying to parse a Coverity report), or just avoid them. Mental health is more important than 20% gain or loss (depending on which study supports your prejudices) in productivity.

oblio 4mo ago

You're probably 1 in 10 000 programmers. Most programmers are just regular employees, the vast majority in non tech companies.

abalashov 4mo ago
Yeah. It's easy to forget that sometimes.