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Considering his pet cause in this case is helping developers stop systemically undervaluing their work, I say that is something we need more of.

lifeisstillgood 14y ago
There are two kinds of people with pet causes I appreciate The altruists, who dedicate years of research and learning to finding and giving freely medical or other breakthroughs to make a better world. I am glad they exist, please give them my tax dollars, but I stopped trying to fix the world around 35 years old. The other kind is patio11 kind - sorta altruistic - but getting paid altruistic. Since my Damascean conversion at the age of 35, I appreciate this kind too - you cannot have my tax dollars but you can persuade me to buy The world needs both kinds. Well, it needs the first kind, it will never be short of the self-interest altruism. And since his pet cause is about making me money, I like his self interest.
- codewright 14y ago
  > Damascean I don't think this is a word. What are you trying to say?
  - euroclydon 14y ago
    That would refer to the Apostle Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus. Paul was a murderer of followers of Jesus, but then became a follower himself. So, I assume the commentator believed in altruism through commitments to poverty by the altruistic, big government spending, or something, but now believes in a more competitive free-market form of it.
    - baddox 14y ago
      The standard demonym for Damascus is "Damascene."
      - euroclydon 14y ago
        Thank you.
      - deleted 14y ago
        [deleted]
  - arjn 14y ago
    I think its a reference to Paul's (the apostle) conversion on the road to Damascus. Details on wikipedia.
    - robotresearcher 14y ago
      And also in a popular book.
      - saraid216 14y ago
        Titled, oddly enough, "The Book".
  - fatbird 14y ago
    He was saying there's no longer any need for a good liberal arts education :)
    - saraid216 14y ago
      Human beings are so 20th-century. For the 21st-century, you are a job fulfiller.
    - codewright 14y ago
      I studied theology and scripture under a pastor and a rabbi for two years and they never described Paul's conversion as "Damascean". The contextualization is poor as well. Obscurity and speaking out of your head for your own benefit rather than to be understood is postmodern frippery not the mark of a solid education.
      - buddhaofdoubt 14y ago
        This post epitomizes the threads running through arguments for and against a liberal arts education in the year 2012. On the one hand... http://www.radiolab.org/2010/aug/09/ http://www.radiolab.org/2010/aug/09/ which will far better argue and illustrate myriad points on the invention of language, its beauty and wonder and value to differentiate us as a species and to bring us joy and fulfillment and illustrate the challenges and quirks that make its study such a joy and illustrate language's evolution as a thing of wonder. Then again, you see something like the Rossetti archive http://www.rossettiarchive.org/ http://www.rossettiarchive.org/ and you are awe struck at the meticulous rigor and academic sensitivity it takes to understand permanence and context and format and physicality as intrinsic to the right of artistic expression. Would these works have as much meaning if we OCR'd them, slapped them in times new roman, and beamed them to your twitching sweaty little palm sized cubes? Probably not. It took a lot of time, a lot of arguing, a lot of hard questions and personal growth before I felt qualified to make statements like, "I don't think its a good idea to build a game engine that uses a Barthes-esque narrative decomposition to dynamically construct compelling storylines for video games." I don't think a religious education qualifies you as arbiter of language. I think his word is fun and quirky. Interesting. Highly relevant and timely.
- burntsushi 14y ago
  > self-interest This term applies to both kinds of people. The first kind of people you listed are also self-interested. The only difference is what kinds of things motivate them. The first kind are motivated by the pursuit of knowledge and/or sharing it with others. The second kind have a similar motivation, but include money into the mix.
euroclydon 14y ago
Hey Troy, What's up with ABsoluteMaybe? Are you still using it. I implemented my own EF storage interface, but after six months the queries started bogging down and I had to kill it. I've been meaning to get it back running. Your out of the box storage is just a serialized file, right? The whole data set is stored in memory? How does that scale?
- pixelbath 14y ago
  Either private messages or email would be a more appropriate venue to discuss personal matters unrelated to this thread.
- troygoode 14y ago
  Out of the box is just a flat file, yes, which absolutely won't scale over time. I haven't been using the project recently (was out of the .Net world for a bit) but may be using it again soon and with a need for actual production scale. I'd love to chat more about the limits you hit. Ping me at troygoode@gmail.com.
anigbrowl 14y ago
Mail would have been more appropriate in this case, as the discussion of the actual post content has been buried.

lifeisstillgood 14y ago

There are two kinds of people with pet causes I appreciate The altruists, who dedicate years of research and learning to finding and giving freely medical or other breakthroughs to make a better world. I am glad they exist, please give them my tax dollars, but I stopped trying to fix the world around 35 years old. The other kind is patio11 kind - sorta altruistic - but getting paid altruistic. Since my Damascean conversion at the age of 35, I appreciate this kind too - you cannot have my tax dollars but you can persuade me to buy The world needs both kinds. Well, it needs the first kind, it will never be short of the self-interest altruism. And since his pet cause is about making me money, I like his self interest.

codewright 14y ago
> Damascean I don't think this is a word. What are you trying to say?
- euroclydon 14y ago
  That would refer to the Apostle Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus. Paul was a murderer of followers of Jesus, but then became a follower himself. So, I assume the commentator believed in altruism through commitments to poverty by the altruistic, big government spending, or something, but now believes in a more competitive free-market form of it.
  - baddox 14y ago
    The standard demonym for Damascus is "Damascene."
    - euroclydon 14y ago
      Thank you.
    - deleted 14y ago
      [deleted]
- arjn 14y ago
  I think its a reference to Paul's (the apostle) conversion on the road to Damascus. Details on wikipedia.
  - robotresearcher 14y ago
    And also in a popular book.
    - saraid216 14y ago
      Titled, oddly enough, "The Book".
- fatbird 14y ago
  He was saying there's no longer any need for a good liberal arts education :)
  - saraid216 14y ago
    Human beings are so 20th-century. For the 21st-century, you are a job fulfiller.
  - codewright 14y ago
    I studied theology and scripture under a pastor and a rabbi for two years and they never described Paul's conversion as "Damascean". The contextualization is poor as well. Obscurity and speaking out of your head for your own benefit rather than to be understood is postmodern frippery not the mark of a solid education.
    - buddhaofdoubt 14y ago
      This post epitomizes the threads running through arguments for and against a liberal arts education in the year 2012. On the one hand... http://www.radiolab.org/2010/aug/09/ http://www.radiolab.org/2010/aug/09/ which will far better argue and illustrate myriad points on the invention of language, its beauty and wonder and value to differentiate us as a species and to bring us joy and fulfillment and illustrate the challenges and quirks that make its study such a joy and illustrate language's evolution as a thing of wonder. Then again, you see something like the Rossetti archive http://www.rossettiarchive.org/ http://www.rossettiarchive.org/ and you are awe struck at the meticulous rigor and academic sensitivity it takes to understand permanence and context and format and physicality as intrinsic to the right of artistic expression. Would these works have as much meaning if we OCR'd them, slapped them in times new roman, and beamed them to your twitching sweaty little palm sized cubes? Probably not. It took a lot of time, a lot of arguing, a lot of hard questions and personal growth before I felt qualified to make statements like, "I don't think its a good idea to build a game engine that uses a Barthes-esque narrative decomposition to dynamically construct compelling storylines for video games." I don't think a religious education qualifies you as arbiter of language. I think his word is fun and quirky. Interesting. Highly relevant and timely.
burntsushi 14y ago
> self-interest This term applies to both kinds of people. The first kind of people you listed are also self-interested. The only difference is what kinds of things motivate them. The first kind are motivated by the pursuit of knowledge and/or sharing it with others. The second kind have a similar motivation, but include money into the mix.

euroclydon 14y ago

Hey Troy, What's up with ABsoluteMaybe? Are you still using it. I implemented my own EF storage interface, but after six months the queries started bogging down and I had to kill it. I've been meaning to get it back running. Your out of the box storage is just a serialized file, right? The whole data set is stored in memory? How does that scale?

pixelbath 14y ago
Either private messages or email would be a more appropriate venue to discuss personal matters unrelated to this thread.
troygoode 14y ago
Out of the box is just a flat file, yes, which absolutely won't scale over time. I haven't been using the project recently (was out of the .Net world for a bit) but may be using it again soon and with a need for actual production scale. I'd love to chat more about the limits you hit. Ping me at troygoode@gmail.com.

anigbrowl 14y ago

Mail would have been more appropriate in this case, as the discussion of the actual post content has been buried.