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> They can obviously cause a lot of damage but they would obviously lose that war if the US decided they had to remove the regime by force. That is far from ob

> They can obviously cause a lot of damage but they would obviously lose that war if the US decided they had to remove the regime by force. That is far from obvious. A command structure scattered around a huge country should be able to outlast U.S. willingness to throw bodies into a shredder.

awesome_dude 4mo ago
The Vietnamese proved that it's not the bombs you can throw at the country - it's whether you have hearts and minds on your side. The Americans learnt from that and went to Iraq claiming to have hearts and minds on their side - but quickly discovered that, in fact, they did not (and still do not). The Americans need to take stock of their own actions in this conflict - they put Trump in the white house, they allowed him to be influenced by other governments, they gave him the power to get involved in the conflict.
onemoresoop 4mo ago
It’s easy to look at Ukraine for example. Since drones came into the picture it’s way harder to do a successful ground invasion. Russia has unimaginable losses and they still haven’t reached their strategic goal.
- jameshilliard 4mo ago
  > Since drones came into the picture it’s way harder to do a successful ground invasion. Harder, sure, but it's unlikely Iran could stop a US invasion since a ground invasion would almost certainly only happen with the US having complete air supremacy. > Russia has unimaginable losses and they still haven’t reached their strategic goal. Russia does not have control of the airspace in Ukraine, the US was flying even non-stealth aircraft over Iran for most of the war with negligible losses for those aircraft.
  - macintux 4mo ago
    I’m reminded of the cold war joke: two Russian generals meet up in Paris in the closing days of WWIII. One asks the other: “So who won the air war?”
    - jameshilliard 4mo ago
      > two Russian generals meet up in Paris in the closing days of WWIII. One asks the other: “So who won the air war?” The US with combined arms warfare capabilities and air supremacy is very difficult to defend against for a country like Iran in the event of a ground invasion.

awesome_dude 4mo ago

The Vietnamese proved that it's not the bombs you can throw at the country - it's whether you have hearts and minds on your side. The Americans learnt from that and went to Iraq claiming to have hearts and minds on their side - but quickly discovered that, in fact, they did not (and still do not). The Americans need to take stock of their own actions in this conflict - they put Trump in the white house, they allowed him to be influenced by other governments, they gave him the power to get involved in the conflict.

onemoresoop 4mo ago

It’s easy to look at Ukraine for example. Since drones came into the picture it’s way harder to do a successful ground invasion. Russia has unimaginable losses and they still haven’t reached their strategic goal.

jameshilliard 4mo ago
> Since drones came into the picture it’s way harder to do a successful ground invasion. Harder, sure, but it's unlikely Iran could stop a US invasion since a ground invasion would almost certainly only happen with the US having complete air supremacy. > Russia has unimaginable losses and they still haven’t reached their strategic goal. Russia does not have control of the airspace in Ukraine, the US was flying even non-stealth aircraft over Iran for most of the war with negligible losses for those aircraft.
- macintux 4mo ago
  I’m reminded of the cold war joke: two Russian generals meet up in Paris in the closing days of WWIII. One asks the other: “So who won the air war?”
  - jameshilliard 4mo ago
    > two Russian generals meet up in Paris in the closing days of WWIII. One asks the other: “So who won the air war?” The US with combined arms warfare capabilities and air supremacy is very difficult to defend against for a country like Iran in the event of a ground invasion.