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Working remotely or in an office requires a routine that includes having other interests and hobbies scheduled and on the calendar.

by j45 4mo ago

reg_dunlop 4mo ago
All things being equal, if a person works remotely, apparently they're more likely to trend reclusive. At the same time, a person working in an office has the illusion of social activity. Just because a person works in an office doesn't mean they're more well adjusted socially, or more active. Just because a person works remotely doesn't mean they're a recluse. Life requires effort and being engaged. Though as a remote worker myself, I do appreciate the tendency to not make an effort. However, when I do make an effort, the effort is easier and the reward greater than social activities that'd be available during an office job.
- ubertaco 4mo ago
  >All things being equal, if a person works remotely, apparently they're more likely to trend reclusive. The existence of families and housemates reveals this to be a false dichotomy: either you're spending in-office time with coworkers or you don't like being around any people, seems to be the claim.
  - reg_dunlop 4mo ago
    Part of the study specifies remote workers living alone. So it appears the focus of the study excludes those fortunate enough to have family or housemates. But I do agree that the claim being made is the false dichotomy you point out
  - j45 4mo ago
    Maybe the difference is what can happen passively going to a workplace, vs you get the life you design, learn, plan and execute on.
- sublinear 4mo ago
  > illusion of social activity This is so spot on. I would like to see stats for introverts who do not have mental health issues. Those living alone and working from home probably have the best outcomes across the board.
  - reg_dunlop 4mo ago
    It would be interesting... My intention for using that specific language was less with the implied language of introvert/extrovert, and was more intended to point out how simply going to an office is not enough to qualify as "socialization". Compulsory attendance in exchange for financial gain isn't a great example of voluntary socialization....
- j45 4mo ago
  Healthy solitude is a gift for reflection. To an extreme, reclusion rids one of the input from living life around. Need input and reflection to be an upward spiral, otherwise input without reflection, or reflection without new input trends towards putting a person into a downward spiral.
poszlem 4mo ago
Interestingly, when times were good, companies did everything in their power to pull employees' hobbies, interests, and social lives into the workplace. Hence the huge "campuses" and all the rest. Now, suddenly, everyone is surprised that people have no life outside of work. This may turn out to be a huge wake-up call, perhaps even for the best. People may start going back to a proper 9-to-5, closing their laptops at the end of the day and actually living their lives. Let's hope that the next time the market goes crazy, we remember these lessons - though I'm very doubtful.
- bonoboTP 4mo ago
  There will always be people who are willing to put in the time and grind a few years in their 20s to achieve a better life for themselves and their future family, even if you would prioritize other things. It's ge theory and you don't have power over them in such laptop jobs. Your best available tool is to shame them and make striving and overtime be shunned. Many cultures have this, it's like tall poppy syndrome, but more general. But in individualistic cultures like the US, they won't care about your opinion. They are on a path whether you like it or not. If you want to have Germany-level work-life balance, you'll have to make do with Germany-level salaries, but I assume you sill want US style 6 figures just with 9-to-5...
  - watwut 4mo ago
    Someone playing ping pong, VR or going to gym in work is not "putting in the time and grind". They are engaging in hobbies. If they use that time to pretend they work a lot, they are just normally slacking. About the most absurd thing is twisting the people who socialize in office building for fun into grinding hard workers.
    - bonoboTP 4mo ago
      I didn't realize that was what you're thinking about. Well yeah, those guys invest in social connections at work, while you are not. Alliances, trust and human relationships will always matter, no matter how much people complain about this online. It will always be a benefit to be liked and known personally.

Working remotely or in an office requires a routine that includes having other interests and hobbies scheduled and on the calendar.

by j45 4mo ago

Working remotely or in an office requires a routine that includes having other interests and hobbies scheduled and on the calendar.

reg_dunlop 4mo ago

All things being equal, if a person works remotely, apparently they're more likely to trend reclusive. At the same time, a person working in an office has the illusion of social activity. Just because a person works in an office doesn't mean they're more well adjusted socially, or more active. Just because a person works remotely doesn't mean they're a recluse. Life requires effort and being engaged. Though as a remote worker myself, I do appreciate the tendency to not make an effort. However, when I do make an effort, the effort is easier and the reward greater than social activities that'd be available during an office job.

ubertaco 4mo ago
>All things being equal, if a person works remotely, apparently they're more likely to trend reclusive. The existence of families and housemates reveals this to be a false dichotomy: either you're spending in-office time with coworkers or you don't like being around any people, seems to be the claim.
- reg_dunlop 4mo ago
  Part of the study specifies remote workers living alone. So it appears the focus of the study excludes those fortunate enough to have family or housemates. But I do agree that the claim being made is the false dichotomy you point out
- j45 4mo ago
  Maybe the difference is what can happen passively going to a workplace, vs you get the life you design, learn, plan and execute on.
sublinear 4mo ago
> illusion of social activity This is so spot on. I would like to see stats for introverts who do not have mental health issues. Those living alone and working from home probably have the best outcomes across the board.
- reg_dunlop 4mo ago
  It would be interesting... My intention for using that specific language was less with the implied language of introvert/extrovert, and was more intended to point out how simply going to an office is not enough to qualify as "socialization". Compulsory attendance in exchange for financial gain isn't a great example of voluntary socialization....
j45 4mo ago
Healthy solitude is a gift for reflection. To an extreme, reclusion rids one of the input from living life around. Need input and reflection to be an upward spiral, otherwise input without reflection, or reflection without new input trends towards putting a person into a downward spiral.

poszlem 4mo ago

Interestingly, when times were good, companies did everything in their power to pull employees' hobbies, interests, and social lives into the workplace. Hence the huge "campuses" and all the rest. Now, suddenly, everyone is surprised that people have no life outside of work. This may turn out to be a huge wake-up call, perhaps even for the best. People may start going back to a proper 9-to-5, closing their laptops at the end of the day and actually living their lives. Let's hope that the next time the market goes crazy, we remember these lessons - though I'm very doubtful.

bonoboTP 4mo ago
There will always be people who are willing to put in the time and grind a few years in their 20s to achieve a better life for themselves and their future family, even if you would prioritize other things. It's ge theory and you don't have power over them in such laptop jobs. Your best available tool is to shame them and make striving and overtime be shunned. Many cultures have this, it's like tall poppy syndrome, but more general. But in individualistic cultures like the US, they won't care about your opinion. They are on a path whether you like it or not. If you want to have Germany-level work-life balance, you'll have to make do with Germany-level salaries, but I assume you sill want US style 6 figures just with 9-to-5...
- watwut 4mo ago
  Someone playing ping pong, VR or going to gym in work is not "putting in the time and grind". They are engaging in hobbies. If they use that time to pretend they work a lot, they are just normally slacking. About the most absurd thing is twisting the people who socialize in office building for fun into grinding hard workers.
  - bonoboTP 4mo ago
    I didn't realize that was what you're thinking about. Well yeah, those guys invest in social connections at work, while you are not. Alliances, trust and human relationships will always matter, no matter how much people complain about this online. It will always be a benefit to be liked and known personally.