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Since the 1951 Angleton-Harel Secret Pact, there has been an unwritten agreement that CIA and Mossad will not spy on each others countries. Kiriakou (who is a

by hammock 4mo ago

Since the 1951 Angleton-Harel Secret Pact, there has been an unwritten agreement that CIA and Mossad will not spy on each others countries. Kiriakou (who is a wonk) confirmed as much in recent remarks. But no one without at least a TS really knows

petcat 4mo ago
> unwritten agreement
- hammock 4mo ago
  Ah I forgot writing has magic powers. Especially between nation states. /s In this case the writing part is not important.
ma2kx 4mo ago
Kiriakou also stated several times that the Mossad was known to casually try to recruit CIA agents: https://youtu.be/R7OWqAgGzwA?t=163 https://youtu.be/R7OWqAgGzwA?t=163
- hammock 4mo ago
  That speaks to my comment (which was not sufficiently specified I guess) but it does not speak to “the USA spies on Israel” which is what I was replying to
  - ma2kx 4mo ago
    Okay, but I don't think Kiriakou would explicitly admit if the US spied specifically on Israel. I think at most we get a indirect "confession" like Andrew Bustamante gave in some podcasts like here, where he answers to the question if the US spies on the Mossad that everybody spies on everybody and than distract to the case were the US was caught spying on (it's ally) Germany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZklvHVsaT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZklvHVsaT4 PS: I guess at the end you didn't spy until you were caught spying.
    - hammock 4mo ago
      By all reports, the USA only has agreements not to spy on Five Eyes (plus secretly, Israel). Germany is not in that group. Ally has nothing to do with it. And it sounds like you are setting up an untestable claim. Can’t help you there. Believe what you want.
throwaway902984 4mo ago
He has CIA experience but his word shouldn't just be taken at face value. The man has unsettling views on buying pardons and excuses some other things away as well. Kiriakou shouldn't be trusted, IMO. That said, he probably isn't wrong at all about this particular thing.
ceejayoz 4mo ago
There's written legislation saying the CIA/NSA/etc. can't spy on Americans. Guess what happens anyways?
opsnooperfax 4mo ago
I think he said in that interview that the CIA does not spy on Israel. It does not apply the other way around. Based on policy decisions, this seems very believable to me.

by hammock 4mo ago

petcat 4mo ago

> unwritten agreement

hammock 4mo ago
Ah I forgot writing has magic powers. Especially between nation states. /s In this case the writing part is not important.

ma2kx 4mo ago

Kiriakou also stated several times that the Mossad was known to casually try to recruit CIA agents: https://youtu.be/R7OWqAgGzwA?t=163 https://youtu.be/R7OWqAgGzwA?t=163

hammock 4mo ago
That speaks to my comment (which was not sufficiently specified I guess) but it does not speak to “the USA spies on Israel” which is what I was replying to
- ma2kx 4mo ago
  Okay, but I don't think Kiriakou would explicitly admit if the US spied specifically on Israel. I think at most we get a indirect "confession" like Andrew Bustamante gave in some podcasts like here, where he answers to the question if the US spies on the Mossad that everybody spies on everybody and than distract to the case were the US was caught spying on (it's ally) Germany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZklvHVsaT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZklvHVsaT4 PS: I guess at the end you didn't spy until you were caught spying.
  - hammock 4mo ago
    By all reports, the USA only has agreements not to spy on Five Eyes (plus secretly, Israel). Germany is not in that group. Ally has nothing to do with it. And it sounds like you are setting up an untestable claim. Can’t help you there. Believe what you want.

throwaway902984 4mo ago

He has CIA experience but his word shouldn't just be taken at face value. The man has unsettling views on buying pardons and excuses some other things away as well. Kiriakou shouldn't be trusted, IMO. That said, he probably isn't wrong at all about this particular thing.

ceejayoz 4mo ago

There's written legislation saying the CIA/NSA/etc. can't spy on Americans. Guess what happens anyways?

opsnooperfax 4mo ago

I think he said in that interview that the CIA does not spy on Israel. It does not apply the other way around. Based on policy decisions, this seems very believable to me.