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So you think it would be better if the EU started a war with a member state that failed to uphold the union's laws?

by cassianoleal 5mo ago

lukan 5mo ago
Why would he or she think that? Your questions are close to strawman arguments in my perception.
- cassianoleal 5mo ago
  Let's follow the timeline, shall we? It shouldn't be difficult as it's a pretty linear tree in the comments. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657 I mentioned that Europe is a lot more than the EU, and even within the EU member countries diverge. 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908 trumpdong then makes a comment that I interpret as saying the EU doesn't have a lot of power over member states, and saying that the worst which could happen to one of them is to be kicked out of the EU. 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244 Slightly shocked by the idea that the EU should be doing something worse than expelling a member for not following the Union's rules, I use a _reductio ad absurdum_ and ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them. 4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100 To my shock, trumpdong literally says "yes". 5. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487 I, due to the shock described above, decide to question again in more words if that's actually what they mean. --- Hopefully that responds your question. I see no straw man, but if you still do, please present it.
  - lukan 5mo ago
    You did not ask that: "ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them." You asked this: "> the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU As opposed to what? Armed invasion?" Where trumpdong reploed with a affirmative "yes". So the worst they can do is kick someone out. No one demanded the EU should do armed invasion.
    - cassianoleal 5mo ago
      They complained kicking out the worst. I suggested one possible worse possibility (again, in a reductio ad absurdum rhetoric), trying to understand what they thought should be done more than "just kicking them out". They agreed with it. I don't know why you're taking their pain.
      - lukan 5mo ago
        You seem to enjoy either pedantery to feel right, or genuinly missunderstood the conversation. And more pain I am not taking here.
        cassianoleal 5mo ago
        I misunderstood the conversation I was having? Interesting.

So you think it would be better if the EU started a war with a member state that failed to uphold the union's laws?

lukan 5mo ago

Why would he or she think that? Your questions are close to strawman arguments in my perception.

cassianoleal 5mo ago
Let's follow the timeline, shall we? It shouldn't be difficult as it's a pretty linear tree in the comments. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657 I mentioned that Europe is a lot more than the EU, and even within the EU member countries diverge. 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908 trumpdong then makes a comment that I interpret as saying the EU doesn't have a lot of power over member states, and saying that the worst which could happen to one of them is to be kicked out of the EU. 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244 Slightly shocked by the idea that the EU should be doing something worse than expelling a member for not following the Union's rules, I use a _reductio ad absurdum_ and ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them. 4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100 To my shock, trumpdong literally says "yes". 5. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487 I, due to the shock described above, decide to question again in more words if that's actually what they mean. --- Hopefully that responds your question. I see no straw man, but if you still do, please present it.
- lukan 5mo ago
  You did not ask that: "ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them." You asked this: "> the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU As opposed to what? Armed invasion?" Where trumpdong reploed with a affirmative "yes". So the worst they can do is kick someone out. No one demanded the EU should do armed invasion.
  - cassianoleal 5mo ago
    They complained kicking out the worst. I suggested one possible worse possibility (again, in a reductio ad absurdum rhetoric), trying to understand what they thought should be done more than "just kicking them out". They agreed with it. I don't know why you're taking their pain.
    - lukan 5mo ago
      You seem to enjoy either pedantery to feel right, or genuinly missunderstood the conversation. And more pain I am not taking here.
      - cassianoleal 5mo ago
        I misunderstood the conversation I was having? Interesting.