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The UK is a part of Europe.
by dom96 4mo ago
The UK is a part of Europe.
- exe34 4mo agoGeographically, that's quite the zinger. Legally, no. Different laws.
- cassianoleal 4mo agoEurope has many many different jurisdictions. Even if you take the European Union alone and ignore all the other European countries, the EU only legislates over a subset of things for member countries.
- exe34 4mo agoMuch less the UK.
- cassianoleal 4mo agoI'm not sure how much less it is than, say, Bosnia, Serbia, Belarus, Kosovo...
- trumpdong 4mo agoThe EU has no sovereignty, countries (like Hungary and Germany) can openly disobey it and the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU
- cassianoleal 4mo ago> the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU As opposed to what? Armed invasion?
- trumpdong 4mo agoYes. The EU has no army, no legal sovereignty within each country, etc. It's an alliance of countries NOT a single federal government. The individual countries remain in charge of themselves and the alliance is supposed to be structured in a way that only paases things the countries actually want.
- cassianoleal 4mo agoSo you think it would be better if the EU started a war with a member state that failed to uphold the union's laws?
- lukan 4mo agoWhy would he or she think that? Your questions are close to strawman arguments in my perception.
- cassianoleal 4mo agoLet's follow the timeline, shall we? It shouldn't be difficult as it's a pretty linear tree in the comments. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657 I mentioned that Europe is a lot more than the EU, and even within the EU member countries diverge. 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908 trumpdong then makes a comment that I interpret as saying the EU doesn't have a lot of power over member states, and saying that the worst which could happen to one of them is to be kicked out of the EU. 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244 Slightly shocked by the idea that the EU should be doing something worse than expelling a member for not following the Union's rules, I use a _reductio ad absurdum_ and ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them. 4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100 To my shock, trumpdong literally says "yes". 5. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487 I, due to the shock described above, decide to question again in more words if that's actually what they mean. --- Hopefully that responds your question. I see no straw man, but if you still do, please present it.
- lukan 4mo agoYou did not ask that: "ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them." You asked this: "> the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU As opposed to what? Armed invasion?" Where trumpdong reploed with a affirmative "yes". So the worst they can do is kick someone out. No one demanded the EU should do armed invasion.
- microtonal 4mo agokick them out of the EU AFAIK, not even that. This topic came up in relation to Hungary (before Orban was gone). What I understood from the discussion is that a country can only be punished by not giving them EU funds, etc.
- lukan 4mo agoKicking out is possible, but not established and everyone happy that Orban is gone for now and no immediate need to find out how that process works in reality.