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The user you replied to was talking about UK, not Europe.

by SpectreHat 4mo ago

Cider9986 4mo ago
My first two sentences were about the UK. The third was general.
dom96 4mo ago
The UK is a part of Europe.
- exe34 4mo ago
  Geographically, that's quite the zinger. Legally, no. Different laws.
  - cassianoleal 4mo ago
    Europe has many many different jurisdictions. Even if you take the European Union alone and ignore all the other European countries, the EU only legislates over a subset of things for member countries.
    - exe34 4mo ago
      Much less the UK.
      - cassianoleal 4mo ago
        I'm not sure how much less it is than, say, Bosnia, Serbia, Belarus, Kosovo...
    - trumpdong 4mo ago
      The EU has no sovereignty, countries (like Hungary and Germany) can openly disobey it and the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU
      - cassianoleal 4mo ago
        > the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU As opposed to what? Armed invasion?
        trumpdong 4mo ago
        Yes. The EU has no army, no legal sovereignty within each country, etc. It's an alliance of countries NOT a single federal government. The individual countries remain in charge of themselves and the alliance is supposed to be structured in a way that only paases things the countries actually want.
        cassianoleal 4mo ago
        So you think it would be better if the EU started a war with a member state that failed to uphold the union's laws?
        lukan 4mo ago
        Why would he or she think that? Your questions are close to strawman arguments in my perception.
        cassianoleal 4mo ago
        Let's follow the timeline, shall we? It shouldn't be difficult as it's a pretty linear tree in the comments. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657 I mentioned that Europe is a lot more than the EU, and even within the EU member countries diverge. 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908 trumpdong then makes a comment that I interpret as saying the EU doesn't have a lot of power over member states, and saying that the worst which could happen to one of them is to be kicked out of the EU. 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244 Slightly shocked by the idea that the EU should be doing something worse than expelling a member for not following the Union's rules, I use a _reductio ad absurdum_ and ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them. 4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100 To my shock, trumpdong literally says "yes". 5. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487 I, due to the shock described above, decide to question again in more words if that's actually what they mean. --- Hopefully that responds your question. I see no straw man, but if you still do, please present it.

The user you replied to was talking about UK, not Europe.

Cider9986 4mo ago

My first two sentences were about the UK. The third was general.

dom96 4mo ago

The UK is a part of Europe.

exe34 4mo ago
Geographically, that's quite the zinger. Legally, no. Different laws.
- cassianoleal 4mo ago
  Europe has many many different jurisdictions. Even if you take the European Union alone and ignore all the other European countries, the EU only legislates over a subset of things for member countries.
  - exe34 4mo ago
    Much less the UK.
    - cassianoleal 4mo ago
      I'm not sure how much less it is than, say, Bosnia, Serbia, Belarus, Kosovo...
  - trumpdong 4mo ago
    The EU has no sovereignty, countries (like Hungary and Germany) can openly disobey it and the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU
    - cassianoleal 4mo ago
      > the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU As opposed to what? Armed invasion?
      - trumpdong 4mo ago
        Yes. The EU has no army, no legal sovereignty within each country, etc. It's an alliance of countries NOT a single federal government. The individual countries remain in charge of themselves and the alliance is supposed to be structured in a way that only paases things the countries actually want.
        cassianoleal 4mo ago
        So you think it would be better if the EU started a war with a member state that failed to uphold the union's laws?
        lukan 4mo ago
        Why would he or she think that? Your questions are close to strawman arguments in my perception.
        cassianoleal 4mo ago
        Let's follow the timeline, shall we? It shouldn't be difficult as it's a pretty linear tree in the comments. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657 I mentioned that Europe is a lot more than the EU, and even within the EU member countries diverge. 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908 trumpdong then makes a comment that I interpret as saying the EU doesn't have a lot of power over member states, and saying that the worst which could happen to one of them is to be kicked out of the EU. 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244 Slightly shocked by the idea that the EU should be doing something worse than expelling a member for not following the Union's rules, I use a _reductio ad absurdum_ and ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them. 4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100 To my shock, trumpdong literally says "yes". 5. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487 I, due to the shock described above, decide to question again in more words if that's actually what they mean. --- Hopefully that responds your question. I see no straw man, but if you still do, please present it.