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It's definitely not at the make me a photoshop stage but I don't think that angle explains adequately explains the tone of the anti-AI hn discussions taking pla

by Havoc 5mo ago

It's definitely not at the make me a photoshop stage but I don't think that angle explains adequately explains the tone of the anti-AI hn discussions taking place at all. If it was just a toy with no shot at making something real people would go "oh cool have fun with that" and move on with their life. Instead we see pretty emotionally charged posts.

habinero 5mo ago
If people just wanted to make their own stuff and have fun, that's fine. Knock yourself out. However, it's launched this enormous tidal wave of mediocrity that emboldens the dumbest people to do the dumbest shit and make it my problem. I just had to yell at one of the IT guys for trying to hook up our Duo to Claude, and I'm still mad about it lol.
- Havoc 5mo ago
  Stupid people are always going to do stupid shit. I don't think that makes the enabling technology the problem & the anger towards it is misdirected. >trying to hook up our Duo to Claude ngl that is hilarious
  - habinero 5mo ago
    Yeah, but the idiots had to put in effort before, which was difficult for them for obvious reasons. Now they have a cheerful idiot robot who can actually do the idiot things they dream up and it tells them how brilliant they are.
- trumpdong 5mo ago
  What's a Duo?
- skirmish 5mo ago
  Is it this: GitLab Duo Agent Platform with Claude accelerates development [1]? Well, Gitlab itself promotes hooking them up! [1] https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-duo-agent-platform-with-claude-accelerates-development/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-duo-agent-platform-with...
  - habinero 5mo ago
    No, Duo as in Cisco Duo IAM. It was a "please do not fuck around with a central pillar of our security infrastructure just because you can" thing lol.
maccard 5mo ago
What stage is it at then? Because every new model is met with people saying they haven’t opened an editor in a year, or how they’re 10x more productive. But I’m not seeing 10x more tickets closed, 10x more bugs fixed, or 10x more feature designs that we can smash through. I see verbosity and noise when used by the people who were behind, and I see the same level of quality and excellence from people who use it like it’s another tool in their toolbelt
- Havoc 5mo ago
  >I see the same level of quality and excellence from people who use it like it’s another tool in their toolbelt It's certainly currently an edge if you know what to tell the mystery box of magic in precise terms. I don't think this distinction is going to endure though - every level of "it can't do it" has fallen and generally faster & more decisively than predicted. We started with it printing hello world, to autocomplete where you still needed to be able to know what the line should do, to autocompleting functions, to writing entire units, to working out architecture tradeoffs, to doing research planning architecture execution and testing all autonomously. That trajectory plus people retreating to nebulous "I'm adding taste" tells me this is going to sail straight past "tool in toolbelt" territory at Mach 10. Everyone has their own perspective but to me "show me the receipt" at a specific point in time is a completely wrong lens for a tech that shows clear signs of exponential improvement (i.e. https://metr.org/ https://metr.org/ ).
  - maccard 5mo ago
    I’ll agree it’s an edge. But edges aren’t worth the GDP of a middle sized European country. > every level of "it can't do it" has fallen and generally faster & more decisively than predicted I disagree. The agent + harness model was a huge leap and really moved the bar. The tools became genuinely useful for coding very quickly. > Everyone has their own perspective but to me "show me the receipt" at a specific point in time is a completely wrong lens for a tech that shows clear signs of exponential improvement At some point, the exponential improvements have to show results or it’s just a Ponzi scheme.
    - 5mo ago
eudamoniac 5mo ago
I can't speak for others, but my main emotional issue with it is how it has addled the minds of my employers. If they would judge on output and I couldn't keep up objectively, ok fine I'll use AI. But they judge on usage even if output is worse! Anyone would be upset if forced to abandon their skills and work in a different way that produces worse results and is less enjoyable. It's just stupid.
- maccard 5mo ago
  That’s because it’s really hard to evaluate results but usage is comparable across people. It’s the equivalent of counting lines of code submitted or jira tickets closed.
  - trumpdong 5mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McNamara_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McNamara_fallacy
hunterpayne 5mo ago
"If it was just a toy with no shot at making something real" This just isn't true. It isn't about what the LLM can do, its about what the executives think the LLM can do that's the problem.

by Havoc 5mo ago

habinero 5mo ago

If people just wanted to make their own stuff and have fun, that's fine. Knock yourself out. However, it's launched this enormous tidal wave of mediocrity that emboldens the dumbest people to do the dumbest shit and make it my problem. I just had to yell at one of the IT guys for trying to hook up our Duo to Claude, and I'm still mad about it lol.

Havoc 5mo ago
Stupid people are always going to do stupid shit. I don't think that makes the enabling technology the problem & the anger towards it is misdirected. >trying to hook up our Duo to Claude ngl that is hilarious
- habinero 5mo ago
  Yeah, but the idiots had to put in effort before, which was difficult for them for obvious reasons. Now they have a cheerful idiot robot who can actually do the idiot things they dream up and it tells them how brilliant they are.
trumpdong 5mo ago
What's a Duo?
skirmish 5mo ago
Is it this: GitLab Duo Agent Platform with Claude accelerates development [1]? Well, Gitlab itself promotes hooking them up! [1] https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-duo-agent-platform-with-claude-accelerates-development/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-duo-agent-platform-with...
- habinero 5mo ago
  No, Duo as in Cisco Duo IAM. It was a "please do not fuck around with a central pillar of our security infrastructure just because you can" thing lol.

maccard 5mo ago

What stage is it at then? Because every new model is met with people saying they haven’t opened an editor in a year, or how they’re 10x more productive. But I’m not seeing 10x more tickets closed, 10x more bugs fixed, or 10x more feature designs that we can smash through. I see verbosity and noise when used by the people who were behind, and I see the same level of quality and excellence from people who use it like it’s another tool in their toolbelt

Havoc 5mo ago
>I see the same level of quality and excellence from people who use it like it’s another tool in their toolbelt It's certainly currently an edge if you know what to tell the mystery box of magic in precise terms. I don't think this distinction is going to endure though - every level of "it can't do it" has fallen and generally faster & more decisively than predicted. We started with it printing hello world, to autocomplete where you still needed to be able to know what the line should do, to autocompleting functions, to writing entire units, to working out architecture tradeoffs, to doing research planning architecture execution and testing all autonomously. That trajectory plus people retreating to nebulous "I'm adding taste" tells me this is going to sail straight past "tool in toolbelt" territory at Mach 10. Everyone has their own perspective but to me "show me the receipt" at a specific point in time is a completely wrong lens for a tech that shows clear signs of exponential improvement (i.e. https://metr.org/ https://metr.org/ ).
- maccard 5mo ago
  I’ll agree it’s an edge. But edges aren’t worth the GDP of a middle sized European country. > every level of "it can't do it" has fallen and generally faster & more decisively than predicted I disagree. The agent + harness model was a huge leap and really moved the bar. The tools became genuinely useful for coding very quickly. > Everyone has their own perspective but to me "show me the receipt" at a specific point in time is a completely wrong lens for a tech that shows clear signs of exponential improvement At some point, the exponential improvements have to show results or it’s just a Ponzi scheme.
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eudamoniac 5mo ago

I can't speak for others, but my main emotional issue with it is how it has addled the minds of my employers. If they would judge on output and I couldn't keep up objectively, ok fine I'll use AI. But they judge on usage even if output is worse! Anyone would be upset if forced to abandon their skills and work in a different way that produces worse results and is less enjoyable. It's just stupid.

maccard 5mo ago
That’s because it’s really hard to evaluate results but usage is comparable across people. It’s the equivalent of counting lines of code submitted or jira tickets closed.
- trumpdong 5mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McNamara_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McNamara_fallacy

hunterpayne 5mo ago

"If it was just a toy with no shot at making something real" This just isn't true. It isn't about what the LLM can do, its about what the executives think the LLM can do that's the problem.