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Yes, precisely. That was the point. Judging the product by its merits/substance and not by its storytelling/hype/hustle. UX is important to me! That's why I d

by hypfer 5mo ago

Yes, precisely. That was the point. Judging the product by its merits/substance and not by its storytelling/hype/hustle. UX is important to me! That's why I do not use the inferior web client of telegram wrapped in electron but the real qt one. Or, alternatively, I just pin the tab in my browser. The UX is so good there, you can even do some surfing beside the chatting. Almost feels like the good old times of presto-based opera.

fragmede 5mo ago
If UX is important to you, how are you missing the point of the app? It seems you are going with the anti-hype against Electron apps and not engaging with the merits/substance of the app.
- hypfer 4mo ago
  Nah, idc if it's electron or not. What I do care about is if it is a _wrapper_ around someone else's application or not. If you write your own whatsapp/telegram/whatever client, be my guest. But just taking someone else's product and bare-minimum repackaging it is not the level of merit that would warrant 10 years of literally anything; let alone asking for payment for it. Impostorware ____ Also, just think about what a slap in the face this is for the people putting in the hard work of actually building the aforementioned web clients. Some random other person comes along, takes their stuff and receives all the credit. Which, yeah, okay, utilizing market inefficiencies. So that's clever. But it is also rather unethical. In my book, anyway. Your ethics may vary. ____ Having empathy is good and important and all, but you need to point it at the right people. However, those rarely are the ones that are good at storytelling (in which Franz absolutely exceeds. Good job.) Anyway. I repeat myself. My point is that I think you might've automatically deployed a defense script, which is good in itself, but bad when you're being effectively manipulated into deploying it against your own interests. Which is.. well. ZIRP and its consequences
  - fragmede 4mo ago
    As far as empathy and the right people, humans love stories. Thus storytellers are beloved. Sometimes those story tellers are dishonest, sure, but who's doing the manipulating here? You raise as question of ethics, to manipulate readers into thinking you're right, followed by saying I've deployed a defense script, and that I've been manipulated into doing so, making readers think I'm being fooled. All without actually addressing my criticism other than saying "nah idc, it's still a wrapper", saying you're too cool to even bother writing it out. Finally closing with bringing up ZIRP again. ZIRP is relevant how? Because some people paid money for an app they found useful? People do pay for things. Unless they don't have to. Open source works in some cases, but xkcd 2347 is a meme for a reason.
dangus 4mo ago
Haters gonna hate. Link us to your company that you’ve been the CEO of for 10 years. I don’t like the product either. But I can see why someone would buy it.
- hypfer 4mo ago
  I don't think that a dick measuring contest is in order here, but if you insist, just Google the username. I've essentially created a whole niche of software from nothing. It is not an overstatement to say that the project has changed the world (to some degree, anyway). Could've easily sold out with that but didn't. Make of that what you will. But even if that all wasn't the case, none of my points would be invalid.
  - dangus 4mo ago
    You started it my friend. You’re all over this thread hating this product for no reason calling it “imposterware.” I think that opens yourself up to deserving your own spoonful of criticism. I am surprised that as an open source project maintainer that you would do that. Don’t you know first hand what it’s like to get lame comments about how your project is pointless? I’m surprised someone who maintains a notable project would be so willing to criticize others in this way. “I don’t think a dick measuring contest is order here” is something that someone who lost the dick measuring contest would say. “I could have sold out.” I imagine Sequoia Capital was begging you to accept their term sheet for your third party robot vacuum firmware, but you were the better man and turned them down, gotta keep it real. Respect.
    - hypfer 4mo ago
      I feel like no matter what I would write, somehow you'd try to pull a no u, which is honestly lame and predictable. Unless.. What LLM is this? How did you get it to drop the guardrails? ___ Okay, actually, looking at the comment history, this looks like a real person. Oh man. Oh god. Yeah uh. Well. Have a nice evening I guess.
      - 4mo ago

by hypfer 5mo ago

fragmede 5mo ago

If UX is important to you, how are you missing the point of the app? It seems you are going with the anti-hype against Electron apps and not engaging with the merits/substance of the app.

hypfer 4mo ago
Nah, idc if it's electron or not. What I do care about is if it is a _wrapper_ around someone else's application or not. If you write your own whatsapp/telegram/whatever client, be my guest. But just taking someone else's product and bare-minimum repackaging it is not the level of merit that would warrant 10 years of literally anything; let alone asking for payment for it. Impostorware ____ Also, just think about what a slap in the face this is for the people putting in the hard work of actually building the aforementioned web clients. Some random other person comes along, takes their stuff and receives all the credit. Which, yeah, okay, utilizing market inefficiencies. So that's clever. But it is also rather unethical. In my book, anyway. Your ethics may vary. ____ Having empathy is good and important and all, but you need to point it at the right people. However, those rarely are the ones that are good at storytelling (in which Franz absolutely exceeds. Good job.) Anyway. I repeat myself. My point is that I think you might've automatically deployed a defense script, which is good in itself, but bad when you're being effectively manipulated into deploying it against your own interests. Which is.. well. ZIRP and its consequences
- fragmede 4mo ago
  As far as empathy and the right people, humans love stories. Thus storytellers are beloved. Sometimes those story tellers are dishonest, sure, but who's doing the manipulating here? You raise as question of ethics, to manipulate readers into thinking you're right, followed by saying I've deployed a defense script, and that I've been manipulated into doing so, making readers think I'm being fooled. All without actually addressing my criticism other than saying "nah idc, it's still a wrapper", saying you're too cool to even bother writing it out. Finally closing with bringing up ZIRP again. ZIRP is relevant how? Because some people paid money for an app they found useful? People do pay for things. Unless they don't have to. Open source works in some cases, but xkcd 2347 is a meme for a reason.

dangus 4mo ago

Haters gonna hate. Link us to your company that you’ve been the CEO of for 10 years. I don’t like the product either. But I can see why someone would buy it.

hypfer 4mo ago
I don't think that a dick measuring contest is in order here, but if you insist, just Google the username. I've essentially created a whole niche of software from nothing. It is not an overstatement to say that the project has changed the world (to some degree, anyway). Could've easily sold out with that but didn't. Make of that what you will. But even if that all wasn't the case, none of my points would be invalid.
- dangus 4mo ago
  You started it my friend. You’re all over this thread hating this product for no reason calling it “imposterware.” I think that opens yourself up to deserving your own spoonful of criticism. I am surprised that as an open source project maintainer that you would do that. Don’t you know first hand what it’s like to get lame comments about how your project is pointless? I’m surprised someone who maintains a notable project would be so willing to criticize others in this way. “I don’t think a dick measuring contest is order here” is something that someone who lost the dick measuring contest would say. “I could have sold out.” I imagine Sequoia Capital was begging you to accept their term sheet for your third party robot vacuum firmware, but you were the better man and turned them down, gotta keep it real. Respect.
  - hypfer 4mo ago
    I feel like no matter what I would write, somehow you'd try to pull a no u, which is honestly lame and predictable. Unless.. What LLM is this? How did you get it to drop the guardrails? ___ Okay, actually, looking at the comment history, this looks like a real person. Oh man. Oh god. Yeah uh. Well. Have a nice evening I guess.
    - 4mo ago