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> In the early 2020s Texas was luring in remote workers And not a single one of the people I know that moved there want to still live there. ymmv I guess
by cactacea 4mo ago
> In the early 2020s Texas was luring in remote workers
And not a single one of the people I know that moved there want to still live there. ymmv I guess
- kyouens 4mo agoPlease let the zillions of people still fogging into my hometown (an Austin suburb) know!
- anon291 4mo agopeople move to Texas thinking it has low taxes. It doesn't. Washington state has a much lower tax burden. For a normal earner, California has a lower tax burden than Texas. It is surprisingly insanely high tax. Of course California also has a much larger safety net than Texas. So for most working people it's a no brainer as to which state is better
- pyuser583 4mo agoThen why are so many people moving to Texas?
- frollogaston 4mo agoBecause it's cheaper, partially because yes taxes are lower but also because it's just cheaper. The weather makes Texas less desirable than California, and it's almost as if they tax based on that.
- MAustriaGA 4mo ago[flagged]
- halfmatthalfcat 4mo agoSo they move to the complete opposite end of the spectrum where not three years ago Texas was human trafficking migrants to other states? Quite the change of hearts.
- Recurecur 4mo agoI believe the correct term is “illegal aliens”, not “migrants”. They weren’t “trafficked”, they were “relocated”.
- MAustriaGA 4mo agoMore specifically, relocated to the places that REALLY wanted to have them. Texas was doing a favor here to both the illegal alien and to the locations they were relocated to.
- anon291 4mo agoA lot end up moving back and are upset they don't get their prop13 savings. California becomes cheaper the longer you live in it. Texas doesn't
- Synthetic7346 4mo agoAs someone who lives in California and pays state taxes, how would Texas have a higher tax burden if it doesn't charge state tax?
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- piperswe 4mo agoTexas charges quite high property taxes compared to many other states
- SOLAR_FIELDS 4mo agoTrue, but in my experience grandparent is a bit full of it. Yes property taxes are higher, but what op leaves out is that the values of homes are like for like 2-3x more expensive in California. So in the end I would probably pay around the same tax for a like for like home in California as Texas, simply because of the value of the home. Then we must consider the state income tax of California, which is a nonzero differential to that of Texas’ state income tax
- Rebelgecko 4mo agoMy understanding is that property taxes in Texas can also grow a LOT year over year if your town gets more popular, which isn't the case in California
- anon291 4mo agoYes people in Texas have to move a ton because as property prices go up so do their taxes. With California, you control how much income you earn. In Texas, people moving to your neighborhood can price you out even after you've bought . A move for a family can cost thousands. Since the higher moving rate is due to the tax system these costs ought to be counted.
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- bmitc 4mo agoWhat is high tax in Texas, much less insanely high? There is no income tax. Property taxes are okay-ish. It has a standard sales tax. > Of course California also has a much larger safety net than Texas. California alone accounts for a third of the homeless population in the U.S.
- frollogaston 4mo agoHow many homeless people in California are actually from the state? Cause it seems like within CA, they move to big cities. Democrats then say that high-valued real estate is causing homelessness, and Republicans blame lack of law enforcement, but I don't see how it's either of those.
- bmitc 4mo agoAlmost none are from out of state. 90% were living in California when they became homeless, and 65% were born in California. It doesn't even make sense as to why a homeless person would voluntarily move to California where literally everything, including food, is more expensive and housing is impossible. Plus, homeless people lack the means to easily move around. California's housing situation is the worst in the country. It even has the lowest percentage of homes actually owned by homeowners. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_California https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/07/california-homelessness-myths/ https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/07/californ...
- linguae 4mo agoNot disputing any of the statistics cited, but there is one advantage of being homeless in California compared to other places: favorable weather, especially along the coast. Snow is a once-in-a-generation event outside high-elevation areas, and while it does freeze on some winter nights, it’s rarely below 30 F. There are many parts of the country where temperatures sometimes get low enough to be life-threatening for those with inadequate shelter, heating, and clothing. The coastal areas of California also typically don’t get too hot. Heat is more of an issue inland, particularly the Central Valley and the desert.
- frollogaston 4mo agoEven when you look at those rankings that take property tax into consideration, CA is way higher than TX. And the people who see a dime from the CA safety net aren't the ones paying property tax.
- anon291 4mo agoDon't take into account the higher appreciation in California . I disagree about the safety net. I was a high earning California resident (mid six) and when I was laid off, I got my unemployment and my kids got free Medicaid that ended up paying out quite a bit. The safety net is pretty nice. Since that payout from insurance, my total tax burden in California was actually negative. Had I been in a state like Texas I would have paid less in tax but more overall.
- malshe 4mo agoProperty taxes are relatively high in Texas but houses are so much cheaper. Also, the cost of living in Texas is far lower than in CA. From an economic perspective, living in Texas is a no brainer.
- anon291 4mo agoHouses are cheaper because there is no appreciation. Ca appreciation is high and the appreciation more than covers the tax though
- Newlaptop 4mo agoCalifornia has 10% income tax vs 0 in Texas. Austin property tax is 2% vs Palo Alto at 1.4%. Salary of $150k in Austin requires $282k in San Francisco to be equivalent. Source: https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/austin-tx/san-francisco-ca/150000 https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/austin-tx/san-fran... To make sure that wasn't an anomaly or misrepresentative, I also checked https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator for Austin vs San Jose and got similar numbers: $150k in Austin requires $288k in San Jose. You can argue that the Bay Area wins on weather, politics, startup ecosystem or whatever, but comparing taxes or cost of living is not where California wins.
- mathgeek 4mo agoOddly enough, I don't know too many people who moved to Austin, but they're all still there AFAIK.