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Extended period? How about 5 years? 15? 25? There is literally nothing in the world that compares to the joy of having a large, loving, family that you helped

Extended period? How about 5 years? 15? 25? There is literally nothing in the world that compares to the joy of having a large, loving, family that you helped create. The day-by-day crying or trivial complaints that you are so short-sighted about simply don't matter. I encourage you to talk to some happy families.

thewhitetulip 4mo ago
Basic statistics, common sense and dire poverty would dictate that there will be a sizable number of unhappy families. If you're surrounded by only happy families then you're privileged. I've seen families where husbands come home drunk and best the wives (in 2026)
- matchbok3 4mo ago
  You are in the family you help create. It is not just thrust upon you. The existence of despair need not discourage others to thrive.
  - thewhitetulip 4mo ago
    I think you're too idealistic (or of right wing ideology). The culture aka parents inlaws and random aubties and uncles pressurize Indian couples to have 1 kid then 2nd kid then 3rd kid But neither of them come to help these days with childcare. Just for the photos and for lolz Very few couples have kids of their own violitin Not to mention some religious sects/cultures who look down upon contraceptives due to religious beliefs So yeah, loads of parents become parents by accident and not by their own choice. (Not saying everyone is like this but a large number is like this)
  - willmarch 4mo ago
    That’s assuming no disease, mental illness, unforeseen events, injuries, forced poverty, unexpected deaths, etc. A great deal of family dynamics is outside of a person’s full control.
    - thewhitetulip 4mo ago
      That's also neglecting the fact that Indian boomers are very nosy and the culture pressures adults to have kids but gives 0 support. Neither culture nor religion or the govt does anything to help.
      - leosanchez 4mo ago
        > culture pressures adults to have kids but gives 0 support. Really 0 support ? I know many grandparents who entirely took care of their grandkids for 2–3 years. So their kids can work. Mind you, Not by living in the same city and helping. But taking care of grandkids in their own village / town. You clearly have no idea of culture nor religion of the country.
        thewhitetulip 4mo ago
        I suppose you're one of them right wingers who live in an alternate reality The thread in which you are commenting is about Indias crashing TFR Urban India TFR is 1.6 Which means people aren't having kids. Gee if all grandparents are helping them why is TFR 1.6 hahaha
        leosanchez 4mo ago
        > I suppose you're one of them right wingers who live in an alternate reality I suppose you are one of the left wingers who don't know how country used to be before 2014 ? I am too from the same country. Extrapolating your experience to 1.4 billion people of different languages and cultures is not a sign of intelligent person. > Gee if all grandparents are helping them why is TFR 1.6 hahaha Weird that in previous edit you listed out all the supposed problems and then again edited and blamed 1.6 TFR solely on grand parents not supporting. Looks like you are clutching at straws to justify your point.
        thewhitetulip 4mo ago
        Do you have anything to contribute to the conversation other than trolling or anecdotal examples? This is not reddit. Please refrain from trolling and have a fact based conversation You are commenting on a thread where TFR has seena surprise bust. I would have stated examples of Western democracies which provide clean air, good jobs, good public infra that Indian govt is unable to provide and yet their TFR is also going down. But the difference is, India suddenly had a TFR collapse. Not a gradual one like Japan. That's why Economist published an article and that's why you are commenting on it. Every other country has seen a gradual decline except India that saw a crash So I suppose 2 or 3 people whose grandparents support them (as per you) are having 2 kids while others have 1 or 0 Anecdotal evidence isn't much of an evidence because the country is 125 crore people. You are disproving your own point but you can't see that
  - trumpdong 4mo ago
    Did the drunk wife-beaters intend to be that way?
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thewhitetulip 4mo ago

Basic statistics, common sense and dire poverty would dictate that there will be a sizable number of unhappy families. If you're surrounded by only happy families then you're privileged. I've seen families where husbands come home drunk and best the wives (in 2026)

matchbok3 4mo ago
You are in the family you help create. It is not just thrust upon you. The existence of despair need not discourage others to thrive.
- thewhitetulip 4mo ago
  I think you're too idealistic (or of right wing ideology). The culture aka parents inlaws and random aubties and uncles pressurize Indian couples to have 1 kid then 2nd kid then 3rd kid But neither of them come to help these days with childcare. Just for the photos and for lolz Very few couples have kids of their own violitin Not to mention some religious sects/cultures who look down upon contraceptives due to religious beliefs So yeah, loads of parents become parents by accident and not by their own choice. (Not saying everyone is like this but a large number is like this)
- willmarch 4mo ago
  That’s assuming no disease, mental illness, unforeseen events, injuries, forced poverty, unexpected deaths, etc. A great deal of family dynamics is outside of a person’s full control.
  - thewhitetulip 4mo ago
    That's also neglecting the fact that Indian boomers are very nosy and the culture pressures adults to have kids but gives 0 support. Neither culture nor religion or the govt does anything to help.
    - leosanchez 4mo ago
      > culture pressures adults to have kids but gives 0 support. Really 0 support ? I know many grandparents who entirely took care of their grandkids for 2–3 years. So their kids can work. Mind you, Not by living in the same city and helping. But taking care of grandkids in their own village / town. You clearly have no idea of culture nor religion of the country.
      - thewhitetulip 4mo ago
        I suppose you're one of them right wingers who live in an alternate reality The thread in which you are commenting is about Indias crashing TFR Urban India TFR is 1.6 Which means people aren't having kids. Gee if all grandparents are helping them why is TFR 1.6 hahaha
        leosanchez 4mo ago
        > I suppose you're one of them right wingers who live in an alternate reality I suppose you are one of the left wingers who don't know how country used to be before 2014 ? I am too from the same country. Extrapolating your experience to 1.4 billion people of different languages and cultures is not a sign of intelligent person. > Gee if all grandparents are helping them why is TFR 1.6 hahaha Weird that in previous edit you listed out all the supposed problems and then again edited and blamed 1.6 TFR solely on grand parents not supporting. Looks like you are clutching at straws to justify your point.
        thewhitetulip 4mo ago
        Do you have anything to contribute to the conversation other than trolling or anecdotal examples? This is not reddit. Please refrain from trolling and have a fact based conversation You are commenting on a thread where TFR has seena surprise bust. I would have stated examples of Western democracies which provide clean air, good jobs, good public infra that Indian govt is unable to provide and yet their TFR is also going down. But the difference is, India suddenly had a TFR collapse. Not a gradual one like Japan. That's why Economist published an article and that's why you are commenting on it. Every other country has seen a gradual decline except India that saw a crash So I suppose 2 or 3 people whose grandparents support them (as per you) are having 2 kids while others have 1 or 0 Anecdotal evidence isn't much of an evidence because the country is 125 crore people. You are disproving your own point but you can't see that
- trumpdong 4mo ago
  Did the drunk wife-beaters intend to be that way?
- deleted 4mo ago
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