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> Mr O'Dwyer will travel to the US voluntarily in the next few weeks for the deal to be formally ratified, it is understood. IANAL but I don't think this will

by barredo 14y ago

> Mr O'Dwyer will travel to the US voluntarily in the next few weeks for the deal to be formally ratified, it is understood. IANAL but I don't think this will work as he and/or the UK justice thinks

ma2rten 14y ago
As I understand it he made a deal with US, not UK, authorities.
brador 14y ago
I'm surprised his lawyer hasn't picked up on this. The second he hits US soil he's roasted.
- gadders 14y ago
  Wouldn't this be just like a plea bargain?
  - brador 14y ago
    Once on US soil, with alleged crimes on US properties, he's under US law. If he has a signed deal that's something, if he's coming here with hope and a verbal agreement, as is enforced by honor in Europe, he's an idiot.
- hahainternet 14y ago
  Uninformed comments like this belong on reddit, not here. I'll have a $100 bet with you he won't be roasted though. If you think you know more than his lawyer and the UK authorities in negotiating an international arrangement then it'll be easy money.
rmc 14y ago
I dunno, it would seem mightely stupid of the US authorities to drag him off in chains as soon as he's on US soil. If they do that, they might have a hell of a problem the next time they want to extradite anyone. Not to mention that you're now into "diplomatic incident" terroritory. I doubt the UK will sit by while a (white anglo) UK citizen is duped into going to the US and then imprisoned.
- martswite 14y ago
  I may be reading into this a bit more than needed, but, why the inclusion of the white anglo? Do you think the UK government would be more likely to let any other ethnic origin UK citizen, be duped, imprisoned and not be bothered?
  - rmc 14y ago
    That was more 'covering my ass', I'm sure there are examples of the UK handing some people over. The UK used to imprison without trial on UK soil some of it's UK citizens for terrorism crimes during it's recent civil war/unrest in Northern Ireland.
    - martswite 14y ago
      Yes but the situation here isn't a handing over is it really? This isn't/won't be an extradition. If the US were to arrest him on arrival when they have pretty much inferred he has nothing to fear, that would be something else. I would hope regardless of ethnic origin that the UK government would do everything in its power to have the citizen released. I'm not really clued up on the Northern Ireland conflicts, I do however find the idea of locking people up without trial and keeping them detained for long periods of time, barbaric, regardless of what they are accused of.
      - rmc 14y ago
        I'm not really clued up on the Northern Ireland conflicts, I do however find the idea of locking people up without trial and keeping them detained for long periods of time, barbaric, regardless of what they are accused of. Things in Northern Ireland are much calmer now than they were (which is great!). There's still a lot more to do though. What's interesting is the things that didn't work but only made things worse. Interment without trial, made things worse, sending the army onto the streets made things worse. Car bombs by terrorists, or punishment shootings against 'informers', made things worse. This sort of violence makes things worse.
  - edent 14y ago
DanBC 14y ago
The extradition had been sorted out in the UK end and he was going to be sent to the US anyway. So there's no need for the US to arrange some deal to "trick" him into going to the US. I'm curious why he has to go to actual America, and not just go to the embassy in London (which is US territory etc)?
- finnw 14y ago
  > the embassy in London (which is US territory etc)? It is not. http://integrity-legal.com/legal-blog/miscellaneous/laws-and-rules-regarding-extraterritoriality/ http://integrity-legal.com/legal-blog/miscellaneous/laws-and...
  - DanBC 14y ago
    Wow, thanks for that. I'm surprised more people don't know this. I'll stop spreading the misinformation.
- toyg 14y ago
  It is still completely pointless. This is a completely unorthodox process anyway, so why can't he just agree to pay the money and be done with? Unless the answer is "because he shouldn't set a precedent": next time, the US government will still be able to say that all suspects were extradited in this sort of situation. Basically he's just being used to hack a statistic.

by barredo 14y ago

> Mr O'Dwyer will travel to the US voluntarily in the next few weeks for the deal to be formally ratified, it is understood. IANAL but I don't think this will work as he and/or the UK justice thinks

ma2rten 14y ago

As I understand it he made a deal with US, not UK, authorities.

brador 14y ago

I'm surprised his lawyer hasn't picked up on this. The second he hits US soil he's roasted.

gadders 14y ago
Wouldn't this be just like a plea bargain?
- brador 14y ago
  Once on US soil, with alleged crimes on US properties, he's under US law. If he has a signed deal that's something, if he's coming here with hope and a verbal agreement, as is enforced by honor in Europe, he's an idiot.
hahainternet 14y ago
Uninformed comments like this belong on reddit, not here. I'll have a $100 bet with you he won't be roasted though. If you think you know more than his lawyer and the UK authorities in negotiating an international arrangement then it'll be easy money.

rmc 14y ago

I dunno, it would seem mightely stupid of the US authorities to drag him off in chains as soon as he's on US soil. If they do that, they might have a hell of a problem the next time they want to extradite anyone. Not to mention that you're now into "diplomatic incident" terroritory. I doubt the UK will sit by while a (white anglo) UK citizen is duped into going to the US and then imprisoned.

martswite 14y ago
I may be reading into this a bit more than needed, but, why the inclusion of the white anglo? Do you think the UK government would be more likely to let any other ethnic origin UK citizen, be duped, imprisoned and not be bothered?
- rmc 14y ago
  That was more 'covering my ass', I'm sure there are examples of the UK handing some people over. The UK used to imprison without trial on UK soil some of it's UK citizens for terrorism crimes during it's recent civil war/unrest in Northern Ireland.
  - martswite 14y ago
    Yes but the situation here isn't a handing over is it really? This isn't/won't be an extradition. If the US were to arrest him on arrival when they have pretty much inferred he has nothing to fear, that would be something else. I would hope regardless of ethnic origin that the UK government would do everything in its power to have the citizen released. I'm not really clued up on the Northern Ireland conflicts, I do however find the idea of locking people up without trial and keeping them detained for long periods of time, barbaric, regardless of what they are accused of.
    - rmc 14y ago
      I'm not really clued up on the Northern Ireland conflicts, I do however find the idea of locking people up without trial and keeping them detained for long periods of time, barbaric, regardless of what they are accused of. Things in Northern Ireland are much calmer now than they were (which is great!). There's still a lot more to do though. What's interesting is the things that didn't work but only made things worse. Interment without trial, made things worse, sending the army onto the streets made things worse. Car bombs by terrorists, or punishment shootings against 'informers', made things worse. This sort of violence makes things worse.
- edent 14y ago

DanBC 14y ago

The extradition had been sorted out in the UK end and he was going to be sent to the US anyway. So there's no need for the US to arrange some deal to "trick" him into going to the US. I'm curious why he has to go to actual America, and not just go to the embassy in London (which is US territory etc)?

finnw 14y ago
> the embassy in London (which is US territory etc)? It is not. http://integrity-legal.com/legal-blog/miscellaneous/laws-and-rules-regarding-extraterritoriality/ http://integrity-legal.com/legal-blog/miscellaneous/laws-and...
- DanBC 14y ago
  Wow, thanks for that. I'm surprised more people don't know this. I'll stop spreading the misinformation.
toyg 14y ago
It is still completely pointless. This is a completely unorthodox process anyway, so why can't he just agree to pay the money and be done with? Unless the answer is "because he shouldn't set a precedent": next time, the US government will still be able to say that all suspects were extradited in this sort of situation. Basically he's just being used to hack a statistic.