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> I don't know why you're so defensive. Check it out: https://lobste.rs/s/29pm2f/llm_generated_submissions_should_be#c_sdgnjj https://lobste.rs/s/29pm2f/llm_g

> I don't know why you're so defensive. Check it out: https://lobste.rs/s/29pm2f/llm_generated_submissions_should_be#c_sdgnjj https://lobste.rs/s/29pm2f/llm_generated_submissions_should_... https://lobste.rs/s/ytim7h/collection_small_low_stakes_low_effort#c_cijc57 https://lobste.rs/s/ytim7h/collection_small_low_stakes_low_e...

Aurornis 5mo ago
I'm not interesting in joining into some argument you're having with someone on lobste.rs
- matheusmoreira 5mo ago
  You're not supposed to join. You said you didn't know why I was defensive. I showed you those posts as evidence of the stigma attached to LLMs and their usage. Now you know why.
  - eschaton 5mo ago
    It doesn’t help your case that your response is to say “well I’ll just hide my use.” That’s fraud.
    - matheusmoreira 5mo ago
      No.
      - eschaton 5mo ago
        Yes.
        deleted 5mo ago
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        int_19h 5mo ago
        You're not entitled to know what specific tools were used to produce something, generally speaking. In the absence of such an entitlement, not volunteering to disclose the tools used is not fraud.
        Ronsenshi 5mo ago
        Don't think calling a PR written by AI is the same thing as using a "tool". If code is largely generated by AI means that AI was an author and not you with some tool.
        matheusmoreira 5mo ago
        At what point does it cease to be AI generated and become my own work? If LLM generates some code but I edit it, does it become my own work? How much editing must be done? How large is "largely" ? Exactly how many bits of information must come from my fingers tapping the keyboard in order for me to qualify for authorship? Be precise. If I write something but the LLM polishes it up a bit, is it still my work? Or is it AI generated?
        kelnos 5mo ago
        Consider the rules around copyright. If your part of it is substantive, then it's your own work. If it isn't, then it isn't. I'm not going to define substantive for you. That's something you should feel obligated to research and learn about yourself; anything less is dishonest.
        matheusmoreira 5mo ago
        Copyright provides for works made for hire. You are the author, yet your employer owns it. Your employer owns your output and gets credit for it despite not having written even a single bit of it. You're essentially ghostwriting your employer's software. So "consider copyright" isn't really strengthening your position.
        Ronsenshi 5mo ago
  - kelnos 5mo ago
    Maybe you should step back and see if there's a reason why there's a stigma, instead of stubbornly insisting that there's nothing different between submitting work that you wrote yourself, vs. work done by an LLM.
    - matheusmoreira 5mo ago
      Maybe you should stop making excuses for the summary dismissal of people's years old projects as slop on the basis that an LLM touched it.

Aurornis 5mo ago

I'm not interesting in joining into some argument you're having with someone on lobste.rs

matheusmoreira 5mo ago
You're not supposed to join. You said you didn't know why I was defensive. I showed you those posts as evidence of the stigma attached to LLMs and their usage. Now you know why.
- eschaton 5mo ago
  It doesn’t help your case that your response is to say “well I’ll just hide my use.” That’s fraud.
  - matheusmoreira 5mo ago
    No.
    - eschaton 5mo ago
      Yes.
      - deleted 5mo ago
        [deleted]
      - int_19h 5mo ago
        You're not entitled to know what specific tools were used to produce something, generally speaking. In the absence of such an entitlement, not volunteering to disclose the tools used is not fraud.
        Ronsenshi 5mo ago
        Don't think calling a PR written by AI is the same thing as using a "tool". If code is largely generated by AI means that AI was an author and not you with some tool.
        matheusmoreira 5mo ago
        At what point does it cease to be AI generated and become my own work? If LLM generates some code but I edit it, does it become my own work? How much editing must be done? How large is "largely" ? Exactly how many bits of information must come from my fingers tapping the keyboard in order for me to qualify for authorship? Be precise. If I write something but the LLM polishes it up a bit, is it still my work? Or is it AI generated?
        kelnos 5mo ago
        Consider the rules around copyright. If your part of it is substantive, then it's your own work. If it isn't, then it isn't. I'm not going to define substantive for you. That's something you should feel obligated to research and learn about yourself; anything less is dishonest.
        matheusmoreira 5mo ago
        Copyright provides for works made for hire. You are the author, yet your employer owns it. Your employer owns your output and gets credit for it despite not having written even a single bit of it. You're essentially ghostwriting your employer's software. So "consider copyright" isn't really strengthening your position.
        Ronsenshi 5mo ago
- kelnos 5mo ago
  Maybe you should step back and see if there's a reason why there's a stigma, instead of stubbornly insisting that there's nothing different between submitting work that you wrote yourself, vs. work done by an LLM.
  - matheusmoreira 5mo ago
    Maybe you should stop making excuses for the summary dismissal of people's years old projects as slop on the basis that an LLM touched it.