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$400 for kvm?

by noncoml 4mo ago

$400 for kvm?

atomicnumber3 4mo ago
It's one of those things where $400 is WAY too much for a homelabber, but most companies (even small ones) can barely count that low when speccing out hardware, ESPECIALLY these days. $400 is like one hard drive in a machine that will potentially have 8-24 of them. ......Unsettlingly that's also like 16GB of dram in a machine that might be measuring memory in TBs
- Hamuko 4mo ago
  I kinda wanted to get a KVM recently, but decided to save my money to afford RAM for my planned server build instead. Might even get a 32 GB kit for $400.
- noncoml 4mo ago
  don't these boxes already have a BMC? KVM is kind of poor man's BMC.
  - geerlingguy 4mo ago
    There are tons of devices used that have no built-in BMC (like the Thinkpads in the original comment in this thread), yet still need reliable remote control in certain cases (e.g. a remote lab, or multiple-unit headless testing). It would be a bit odd if a place was deploying new Dell servers and slapping IP KVMs on top of them.
    - noncoml 4mo ago
      OK, I just don't see the intersection of people/companies that are using thinkpads in their server room and those willing to pay $400 for a KVM being too large
      - p_l 4mo ago
        Surprising amount of gear required extra licenses or even parts to have fully functional remote console that does all the stuff PiKVM 4 brings to the table, and not always do you have the benefit of properly operational netboot infrastructure (especially in corporate settings with their usually broken by design networks) - and remote boot media might be gated behind license. So you end up with ipkvm because there might be windows server that requires remote display, or because for various reasons IPMI SOL or equivalent does not work properly (BIOS mode enabled instead of UEFI, SOL requiring extra license, etc). Or even not being able to setup autoconfiguration for BMC but for various reasons it's easier to setup ipkvm.
  - atomicnumber3 4mo ago
    TBC I don't necessarily mean they're using them on those servers. Just saying the prices are peanuts to them. I find KVMs are usually used for non-rackmount / weird hardware that nonetheless ends up in a server room.
Zetaphor 4mo ago
You're supporting the developers original work at that price. There's plenty of cheaper devices that take that original work and just throw it on some chips

$400 for kvm?

by noncoml 4mo ago

$400 for kvm?

It's one of those things where $400 is WAY too much for a homelabber, but most companies (even small ones) can barely count that low when speccing out hardware, ESPECIALLY these days. $400 is like one hard drive in a machine that will potentially have 8-24 of them. ......Unsettlingly that's also like 16GB of dram in a machine that might be measuring memory in TBs

Hamuko 4mo ago
I kinda wanted to get a KVM recently, but decided to save my money to afford RAM for my planned server build instead. Might even get a 32 GB kit for $400.
noncoml 4mo ago
don't these boxes already have a BMC? KVM is kind of poor man's BMC.
- geerlingguy 4mo ago
  There are tons of devices used that have no built-in BMC (like the Thinkpads in the original comment in this thread), yet still need reliable remote control in certain cases (e.g. a remote lab, or multiple-unit headless testing). It would be a bit odd if a place was deploying new Dell servers and slapping IP KVMs on top of them.
  - noncoml 4mo ago
    OK, I just don't see the intersection of people/companies that are using thinkpads in their server room and those willing to pay $400 for a KVM being too large
    - p_l 4mo ago
      Surprising amount of gear required extra licenses or even parts to have fully functional remote console that does all the stuff PiKVM 4 brings to the table, and not always do you have the benefit of properly operational netboot infrastructure (especially in corporate settings with their usually broken by design networks) - and remote boot media might be gated behind license. So you end up with ipkvm because there might be windows server that requires remote display, or because for various reasons IPMI SOL or equivalent does not work properly (BIOS mode enabled instead of UEFI, SOL requiring extra license, etc). Or even not being able to setup autoconfiguration for BMC but for various reasons it's easier to setup ipkvm.
- atomicnumber3 4mo ago
  TBC I don't necessarily mean they're using them on those servers. Just saying the prices are peanuts to them. I find KVMs are usually used for non-rackmount / weird hardware that nonetheless ends up in a server room.

Zetaphor 4mo ago

You're supporting the developers original work at that price. There's plenty of cheaper devices that take that original work and just throw it on some chips