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I don't think this qualifies as clickbait in the sense that the headline mismatches the contents. My experience with 404 Media is that they treat every article

by causal 4mo ago

I don't think this qualifies as clickbait in the sense that the headline mismatches the contents. My experience with 404 Media is that they treat every article like they've just released the Pentagon Papers, so you just have to read with that in mind.

SllX 4mo ago
> My experience with 404 Media is that they treat every article like they've just released the Pentagon Papers I think you’ve perfectly phrased exactly what it is that annoys me when I see a 404 Media headline. When it was a new shop, I stomached it more, but this is every single headline I ever see from them.
- DANmode 4mo ago
  Contrasting the tone of innocence the larger publications use around these institutions feels perfectly within a journalistic mandate.
  - SllX 4mo ago
    Nobody is disputing that it is a legitimate choice. It is also legitimately off-putting. If their audience is into it though, good for them.
    - DANmode 4mo ago
      Honestly, I was surprised to see this take. Their tone just makes me miss the original The Intercept and other used-to-be-heavy-hitters. Were they also too punchy for you? (I sound possibly sarcastic, but am genuinely curious)
      - SllX 4mo ago
        I read The Intercept rarely and never saw enough of them to form any kind of take on their “typical” headline-style. 404 Media has been popping off everywhere though—including here-since they launched. This may sound pre-judgmental, but a headline is an advertisement & marketing for the article. A headline can get someone in that might otherwise have skipped the article, but it can just as easily dissuade people who might otherwise be interested in the subject matter.
        DANmode 4mo ago
        Meanwhile the NBC headline can make the story seem like a normal matter of course.
  - cryzinger 4mo ago
    For new and under-reported (or otherwise downplayed) stories, I think it's understandable and maybe even good. But when every single story has a breathless, scandalized headline, it gets exhausting fast, and it's hard for me to know what to pay attention to. I remember last year 404 put out a clickbait-y story about the shitty "covert" websites that the CIA used to communicate with spies they'd recruited in Iran, even though it was old news at that point. If you only read the headline (as many people do...) you'd think it was a startling new development.
    - DANmode 4mo ago
      > it's hard for me to know what to pay attention to. If it’s a decent institution? All of what they’re reporting on! =]

by causal 4mo ago

SllX 4mo ago

> My experience with 404 Media is that they treat every article like they've just released the Pentagon Papers I think you’ve perfectly phrased exactly what it is that annoys me when I see a 404 Media headline. When it was a new shop, I stomached it more, but this is every single headline I ever see from them.

DANmode 4mo ago
Contrasting the tone of innocence the larger publications use around these institutions feels perfectly within a journalistic mandate.
- SllX 4mo ago
  Nobody is disputing that it is a legitimate choice. It is also legitimately off-putting. If their audience is into it though, good for them.
  - DANmode 4mo ago
    Honestly, I was surprised to see this take. Their tone just makes me miss the original The Intercept and other used-to-be-heavy-hitters. Were they also too punchy for you? (I sound possibly sarcastic, but am genuinely curious)
    - SllX 4mo ago
      I read The Intercept rarely and never saw enough of them to form any kind of take on their “typical” headline-style. 404 Media has been popping off everywhere though—including here-since they launched. This may sound pre-judgmental, but a headline is an advertisement & marketing for the article. A headline can get someone in that might otherwise have skipped the article, but it can just as easily dissuade people who might otherwise be interested in the subject matter.
      - DANmode 4mo ago
        Meanwhile the NBC headline can make the story seem like a normal matter of course.
- cryzinger 4mo ago
  For new and under-reported (or otherwise downplayed) stories, I think it's understandable and maybe even good. But when every single story has a breathless, scandalized headline, it gets exhausting fast, and it's hard for me to know what to pay attention to. I remember last year 404 put out a clickbait-y story about the shitty "covert" websites that the CIA used to communicate with spies they'd recruited in Iran, even though it was old news at that point. If you only read the headline (as many people do...) you'd think it was a startling new development.
  - DANmode 4mo ago
    > it's hard for me to know what to pay attention to. If it’s a decent institution? All of what they’re reporting on! =]