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This is proof Meteor is not the future. Bloated JS heavy webpages that aren't RESTful or modular are not moving the web forward. Aside from that, I don't see t

This is proof Meteor is not the future. Bloated JS heavy webpages that aren't RESTful or modular are not moving the web forward. Aside from that, I don't see the utility of being able to see the stories change order, or comments come in. Especially once you have large numbers of comments and the stories reorder constantly. I just don't see what is so interesting about Meteor - and I love node.js and JavaScript.

shadowmint 14y ago
-_- I can't tell if you're trolling or serious. I've been flipping off people talking about node.js for the last year, and seeing this made me take a step back and go, woa, maybe there is actually something here worth paying attention to. If you are serious, be more specific in your criticism please. (not restful? large js pages? so what? It's easy to install, templated, pretty, fast. The code seems readable and hackable. That's all the things (except perhaps fast) that's been missing from the sites the node.js people have been showing me for the last year). This site looks great to me... it doesn't have any tests (as mentioned somewhere else), but hey...
malandrew 14y ago
This is one of those often upvoted middlebrow dismissal comments that pg has said worsens the experience on HN. If you are going to dismiss something, at least provide more substance. The arguments you stated have more to do with the product of choice than the framework itself. True, real-time changing of things like story order probably doesn't make much sense because it could become terribly confusing when lots of people are using something like telesc.pe. However HN likes to upvote HN clones to the front page because they make for great examples to explore a framework. It's certainly quite a bit more interesting and demonstrative of a frameworks pros and cons than the simple ToDo apps used to showcase most frameworks. Please try your dismissal again, but with more thought this time.
sgdesign 14y ago
Look at it another way: what's the utility of not seeing the stories change in real time? What added benefit does pressing the refresh button give you? If you're worried stories would change too fast, that's something that can be tweaked through the algorithm or the UI. In fact I spent a lot of time making sure the UI for new comments didn't disrupt the flow of the page. Basically, what I'm saying is don't dismiss Telescope just because it doesn't work like what you're used to, and please keep an open mind :)

shadowmint 14y ago

-_- I can't tell if you're trolling or serious. I've been flipping off people talking about node.js for the last year, and seeing this made me take a step back and go, woa, maybe there is actually something here worth paying attention to. If you are serious, be more specific in your criticism please. (not restful? large js pages? so what? It's easy to install, templated, pretty, fast. The code seems readable and hackable. That's all the things (except perhaps fast) that's been missing from the sites the node.js people have been showing me for the last year). This site looks great to me... it doesn't have any tests (as mentioned somewhere else), but hey...

malandrew 14y ago

This is one of those often upvoted middlebrow dismissal comments that pg has said worsens the experience on HN. If you are going to dismiss something, at least provide more substance. The arguments you stated have more to do with the product of choice than the framework itself. True, real-time changing of things like story order probably doesn't make much sense because it could become terribly confusing when lots of people are using something like telesc.pe. However HN likes to upvote HN clones to the front page because they make for great examples to explore a framework. It's certainly quite a bit more interesting and demonstrative of a frameworks pros and cons than the simple ToDo apps used to showcase most frameworks. Please try your dismissal again, but with more thought this time.

sgdesign 14y ago

Look at it another way: what's the utility of not seeing the stories change in real time? What added benefit does pressing the refresh button give you? If you're worried stories would change too fast, that's something that can be tweaked through the algorithm or the UI. In fact I spent a lot of time making sure the UI for new comments didn't disrupt the flow of the page. Basically, what I'm saying is don't dismiss Telescope just because it doesn't work like what you're used to, and please keep an open mind :)