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I am not going to debate on manipulation of one cherry picked number. If your point is that crime hasn't risen up since EU started to receive "refugees" in dro

I am not going to debate on manipulation of one cherry picked number. If your point is that crime hasn't risen up since EU started to receive "refugees" in droves, you are either not living in EU or prefer to ignore wider evidence dismissing it as "far-right talking point" (whatever that is)

malicka 4mo ago
Crime-rates going up + Immigrants being no more likely to commit crimes = There is no causality
kuerbel 4mo ago
Which crime, in which country, over what time period, and what evidence shows refugees were the cause rather than one of many contributing factors? Actual study from actual scientists: https://www.ifo.de/en/press-release/2025-02-18/more-foreigners-do-not-increase-germanys-crime-rate https://www.ifo.de/en/press-release/2025-02-18/more-foreigne... >“The results are consistent with international research, according to which migration and refugee inflows have no systematic influence on crime in the host country.”
- pseudo0 4mo ago
  That's an opinion piece from a NGO... > Foreigners are overrepresented in the crime statistics compared to their share of the population. This is due to factors independent of origin It takes an incredible amount of chutzpah to admit that migrants are commiting more crime per-capita, and then build a statistical model to try to claim that actually more migrants doesn't cause an increase in crime.
somewhatgoated 4mo ago
I live in Germany and crime has been falling significantly since the 1990s with clearance rates for crimes like murder at 93%+ It’s by far one of the safest countries in the world. I think the way you phrase you reply makes it pretty clear where you stand emotionally and politically, so I won’t pretend that facts will change your mind, but alas. So tired of hearing the same lies repeated over and over again in media.
- jesterson 4mo ago
  > It’s by far one of the safest countries in the world. It seriously puzzles me how one can carry the ridiculous thought. The only thing to advise here is perhaps to travel more - to countries like Singapore, Japan, Korea, Thailand and many other places where homelessness, rape, "refugee" with a knife on a street are not a part of everyday's life. Germany was the safe country. When Germans lived there. > I think the way you phrase you reply makes it pretty clear where you stand emotionally and politically, so I won’t pretend that facts will change your mind, but alas. Instead of making emotional statements, would be great if you can actually bring facts you talking much of, but instead talking about your emotions. I would be extremely interested in "facts" explaining how importing criminals and uneducated 3rd world "refugees" actually made Germany (and rest of EU) safer. And if you actually believe Berlin now is safer compared to Berlin in 90s, you can't be intellectually honest.
  - somewhatgoated 4mo ago
    Please read my comment, i literally laid out the facts in the beginning. Crime rate has been falling for 30 years. Not sure what “facts” you are presenting here? I lived in Berlin for 20 years, stating that refugees with knifes are part of daily life is beyond delusional.
    - jesterson 4mo ago
      Ok, i see the way you think and “facts” you are bringing up. Just one thing i wonder - are you seriously trying to say Berlin is safer (in terms of crime) after Germany started to import 3rd world criminals in droves? Just simple yes or no would do. Would say tons about logical thinking without using massaged police statistics.

malicka 4mo ago

Crime-rates going up + Immigrants being no more likely to commit crimes = There is no causality

kuerbel 4mo ago

Which crime, in which country, over what time period, and what evidence shows refugees were the cause rather than one of many contributing factors? Actual study from actual scientists: https://www.ifo.de/en/press-release/2025-02-18/more-foreigners-do-not-increase-germanys-crime-rate https://www.ifo.de/en/press-release/2025-02-18/more-foreigne... >“The results are consistent with international research, according to which migration and refugee inflows have no systematic influence on crime in the host country.”

pseudo0 4mo ago
That's an opinion piece from a NGO... > Foreigners are overrepresented in the crime statistics compared to their share of the population. This is due to factors independent of origin It takes an incredible amount of chutzpah to admit that migrants are commiting more crime per-capita, and then build a statistical model to try to claim that actually more migrants doesn't cause an increase in crime.

somewhatgoated 4mo ago

I live in Germany and crime has been falling significantly since the 1990s with clearance rates for crimes like murder at 93%+ It’s by far one of the safest countries in the world. I think the way you phrase you reply makes it pretty clear where you stand emotionally and politically, so I won’t pretend that facts will change your mind, but alas. So tired of hearing the same lies repeated over and over again in media.

jesterson 4mo ago
> It’s by far one of the safest countries in the world. It seriously puzzles me how one can carry the ridiculous thought. The only thing to advise here is perhaps to travel more - to countries like Singapore, Japan, Korea, Thailand and many other places where homelessness, rape, "refugee" with a knife on a street are not a part of everyday's life. Germany was the safe country. When Germans lived there. > I think the way you phrase you reply makes it pretty clear where you stand emotionally and politically, so I won’t pretend that facts will change your mind, but alas. Instead of making emotional statements, would be great if you can actually bring facts you talking much of, but instead talking about your emotions. I would be extremely interested in "facts" explaining how importing criminals and uneducated 3rd world "refugees" actually made Germany (and rest of EU) safer. And if you actually believe Berlin now is safer compared to Berlin in 90s, you can't be intellectually honest.
- somewhatgoated 4mo ago
  Please read my comment, i literally laid out the facts in the beginning. Crime rate has been falling for 30 years. Not sure what “facts” you are presenting here? I lived in Berlin for 20 years, stating that refugees with knifes are part of daily life is beyond delusional.
  - jesterson 4mo ago
    Ok, i see the way you think and “facts” you are bringing up. Just one thing i wonder - are you seriously trying to say Berlin is safer (in terms of crime) after Germany started to import 3rd world criminals in droves? Just simple yes or no would do. Would say tons about logical thinking without using massaged police statistics.