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The entire Windows operating system is doing it wrong. Seriously who daily drives windows these days. lol.

weird-eye-issue 5mo ago
Well before Windows I spent years with both Linux and Mac and I found Windows to be a good mix of stability and suitability for development now that WSL is a thing. Also for gaming it's the best by a long shot so just all around I've found it to be best and WSL made me never miss Linux.
- hparadiz 5mo ago
  Nah my frames on Linux beat yours easily.
  - weird-eye-issue 5mo ago
    Unlikely due to the better and more stable NVIDIA drivers available to Windows and the greater compatibility with every game without having to mess around with configuration files or other hacks. But you do you.
    - lmm 5mo ago
      > better and more stable NVIDIA drivers available to Windows Huh? It's the same driver. It works the same on every platform. There's no consistent difference in performance (at least not between FreeBSD and Windows, it's been a while since I ran Linux).
    - hparadiz 5mo ago
      Linux drivers are now first class and are faster and easier to install than any Windows drivers. There's no bullshit extras with them. They just work. Plus steam launches games in containers so there's zero configuration. If you don't know what you're talking about it is in fact better to say nothing than to just make shit up.
      - weird-eye-issue 5mo ago
        It's great that gaming on Linux has gotten a lot better over the last several years but let's not pretend like Windows still isn't far ahead on this Also how can drivers be easier to install than on Windows when updating my GPU driver is one click?
        hparadiz 5mo ago
        Here's a pre-configured Fedora based distro that is zero clicks. You sign into Steam and go. Drivers are preinstalled. You literally sign into steam and hit play. https://nobaraproject.org/ https://nobaraproject.org/
        dwattttt 5mo ago
        Your answer to "GPU driver updates on Windows are one click, how can Linux be easier" is "here's another distro, install this instead"? This is ridiculous
        hparadiz 5mo ago
        He wanted it pre-configured and I pointed him to the one distro maintained by a Red Hat employee based on one of the most popular and supported distros. Ya'll will complain about anything. It is a live USB you can game on. You don't even really need to install it.
        cyberax 5mo ago
        What? You need to _download_ drivers? They come pre-installed in modern distros.
        weird-eye-issue 5mo ago
        I'm obviously referring to upgrading drivers. Important especially when playing new games since they come with specific optimizations.
    - k4rli 5mo ago
      Of course just a personal experience, but I feel like I'm getting a much more stable experience with AMD in arch+sway/i3. Some of my friends with RTX5080s and such frequently crash on alt-tab or just simply from opening Steam overlay in their W*ndows setup. Even with tiled windows I haven't had any game crash like that once. "alt-tab" equivalent takes 1ms and it just works. I can throw around the game window between workspaces, resize etc. It's worth giving it a try. Unfortunate if games with certain AC setups are wanted, like GTA:O or LOL, but I can live without them.
flaunf221 5mo ago
I do and I have no problems. Feel free to ask me anything.
thewebguyd 5mo ago
Oh, you know, about 70+% of the global desktop/laptop market. Nearly every F500 company. But yeah sure, no one runs windows these days.
- markstock 5mo ago
  Because Windows is the operating system of Not Getting Fired. Fear is a stronger motivator than creativity or productivity.
  - thewebguyd 5mo ago
    Believe it or not, there's plenty of people that specifically choose windows, not just out of fear of getting fired or inertia. The idea that all devs use a mac and that windows is garbage for any kind of development is purely a silicon valley bubble thing. And there's still a big niche that Windows is your only choice since the move to Apple silicon. If you need both a dGPU and access to commercial software, its literally your only choice. Game dev especially comes to mind if you're jumping between maya, after effects, etc. Windows is also huge in finance.
    - rahkiin 5mo ago
      Windows _is_ garbage for a lot of modern development (except thise targeting Win32). But that does not matter to the ICT department tasked with controlling and securing all endpoints, preferring a single, very well known and controllable OS over freedom and performance.
      - pjmlp 5mo ago
        At least it isn't Wayland, or having to mix and match configurations until hardware video decoding on Chrome finally works.
        hparadiz 5mo ago
        Wayland is a protocol. Not a program. The top compositors right now for desktop are KDE Plasma, Hyprland, Gnome/Mutter and all of them implement the Wayland protocol independently. For game wrappers Valve makes Gamescope (https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope) which is also a Wayland compositor. When you run a game through a wrapper like GameScope it will draw to the Wayland Server that GameScope is running and then that subsequently writes to the parent display server (which can actually be X or Wayland). Anyway it's a far superior and more secure protocol than whatever Windows is doing and you should for sure have ChatGPT explain it to you.
satvikpendem 5mo ago
I really find these takes hilarious. HN users are so far removed from the average person it's comical.
pjmlp 5mo ago
For one, the game developers that don't care about SteamDeck.

Well before Windows I spent years with both Linux and Mac and I found Windows to be a good mix of stability and suitability for development now that WSL is a thing. Also for gaming it's the best by a long shot so just all around I've found it to be best and WSL made me never miss Linux.

hparadiz 5mo ago
Nah my frames on Linux beat yours easily.
- weird-eye-issue 5mo ago
  Unlikely due to the better and more stable NVIDIA drivers available to Windows and the greater compatibility with every game without having to mess around with configuration files or other hacks. But you do you.
  - lmm 5mo ago
    > better and more stable NVIDIA drivers available to Windows Huh? It's the same driver. It works the same on every platform. There's no consistent difference in performance (at least not between FreeBSD and Windows, it's been a while since I ran Linux).
  - hparadiz 5mo ago
    Linux drivers are now first class and are faster and easier to install than any Windows drivers. There's no bullshit extras with them. They just work. Plus steam launches games in containers so there's zero configuration. If you don't know what you're talking about it is in fact better to say nothing than to just make shit up.
    - weird-eye-issue 5mo ago
      It's great that gaming on Linux has gotten a lot better over the last several years but let's not pretend like Windows still isn't far ahead on this Also how can drivers be easier to install than on Windows when updating my GPU driver is one click?
      - hparadiz 5mo ago
        Here's a pre-configured Fedora based distro that is zero clicks. You sign into Steam and go. Drivers are preinstalled. You literally sign into steam and hit play. https://nobaraproject.org/ https://nobaraproject.org/
        dwattttt 5mo ago
        Your answer to "GPU driver updates on Windows are one click, how can Linux be easier" is "here's another distro, install this instead"? This is ridiculous
        hparadiz 5mo ago
        He wanted it pre-configured and I pointed him to the one distro maintained by a Red Hat employee based on one of the most popular and supported distros. Ya'll will complain about anything. It is a live USB you can game on. You don't even really need to install it.
      - cyberax 5mo ago
        What? You need to _download_ drivers? They come pre-installed in modern distros.
        weird-eye-issue 5mo ago
        I'm obviously referring to upgrading drivers. Important especially when playing new games since they come with specific optimizations.
  - k4rli 5mo ago
    Of course just a personal experience, but I feel like I'm getting a much more stable experience with AMD in arch+sway/i3. Some of my friends with RTX5080s and such frequently crash on alt-tab or just simply from opening Steam overlay in their W*ndows setup. Even with tiled windows I haven't had any game crash like that once. "alt-tab" equivalent takes 1ms and it just works. I can throw around the game window between workspaces, resize etc. It's worth giving it a try. Unfortunate if games with certain AC setups are wanted, like GTA:O or LOL, but I can live without them.

flaunf221 5mo ago

I do and I have no problems. Feel free to ask me anything.

thewebguyd 5mo ago

Oh, you know, about 70+% of the global desktop/laptop market. Nearly every F500 company. But yeah sure, no one runs windows these days.

markstock 5mo ago
Because Windows is the operating system of Not Getting Fired. Fear is a stronger motivator than creativity or productivity.
- thewebguyd 5mo ago
  Believe it or not, there's plenty of people that specifically choose windows, not just out of fear of getting fired or inertia. The idea that all devs use a mac and that windows is garbage for any kind of development is purely a silicon valley bubble thing. And there's still a big niche that Windows is your only choice since the move to Apple silicon. If you need both a dGPU and access to commercial software, its literally your only choice. Game dev especially comes to mind if you're jumping between maya, after effects, etc. Windows is also huge in finance.
  - rahkiin 5mo ago
    Windows _is_ garbage for a lot of modern development (except thise targeting Win32). But that does not matter to the ICT department tasked with controlling and securing all endpoints, preferring a single, very well known and controllable OS over freedom and performance.
    - pjmlp 5mo ago
      At least it isn't Wayland, or having to mix and match configurations until hardware video decoding on Chrome finally works.
      - hparadiz 5mo ago
        Wayland is a protocol. Not a program. The top compositors right now for desktop are KDE Plasma, Hyprland, Gnome/Mutter and all of them implement the Wayland protocol independently. For game wrappers Valve makes Gamescope (https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope) which is also a Wayland compositor. When you run a game through a wrapper like GameScope it will draw to the Wayland Server that GameScope is running and then that subsequently writes to the parent display server (which can actually be X or Wayland). Anyway it's a far superior and more secure protocol than whatever Windows is doing and you should for sure have ChatGPT explain it to you.

satvikpendem 5mo ago

I really find these takes hilarious. HN users are so far removed from the average person it's comical.

pjmlp 5mo ago

For one, the game developers that don't care about SteamDeck.