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Remember, we didn't know how to pronounce hormuz until bombs started falling on people's head. The bombs and those who dropped them caused the problem. This isn

Remember, we didn't know how to pronounce hormuz until bombs started falling on people's head. The bombs and those who dropped them caused the problem. This isn't an energy issue.

vizzier 4mo ago
> This isn't an energy issue. Renewables don't have the same level of external dependence on a constant flow of instantaneously used fuel. So while I do agree with you, it is an energy issue regardless of your politics.
kakacik 4mo ago
Hormuz was in the news quite a bit in the past decade, if you followed the region at least a bit. Anyway electric cars will have some boom now.
netsharc 4mo ago
Well, the Trump-Netanyahu axis turned it from "We're going to have an inhospitable planet within the next century" problem to a "We need an affordable alternative source of energy right now" problem...
KaiserPro 4mo ago
> we didn't know how to pronounce hormuz until bombs started falling I mean that might be true for you, but its been on the radar over here for a number of years. (it was also a key risk with Iran identified by a number of key intelligence think tanks. especially around the time of the anti-nuclear treaty negotiations) But to your point, youre right its not an energy issue, its an energy and materials issue. There are lots of pre-cursor chemicals and products that come out of that region that the modern world needs to function. The more pressing issue is the fertiliser price spike: https://ycharts.com/indicators/fertilizers_index_world_bank https://ycharts.com/indicators/fertilizers_index_world_bank which has yet to fully mateirlaise. You'll note that spike corolate with lots of civil unrest
dbt00 4mo ago
I cannot stress enough how historically ignorant of a perspective this is. I don't know how you meant this, but Hormuz has been one of the most critical geopolitical choke points since 1979, and Iran has spent 45 years preparing to use it for leverage in exactly this situation. None of these facts should be a surprise to leaders of nations.
- irishcoffee 4mo ago
  Well apparently over 95% of that 45 years of preparing has been obliterated, their currency is in free fall, 2M people have become unemployed over there in the last few months, and a handful of idiots are playing a game of chicken with global implications. What a mess.
  - analognoise 4mo ago
    I mean, their planning has been very effective. It's a decentralized strategy that plays to their strengths; it doesn't take a lot to hold the strait closed, and they can pressure everyone in the region very easily by attacking infrastructure (oil, but also desalinization plants). Their planning is so good it's turned this into the largest strategic embarrassment in the last... 80 years?
    - irishcoffee 4mo ago
      Conversely, Tehran is losing almost half a billion dollars a day. Nobody wins this stupid thing.
      - hedora 4mo ago
        Their military is at something like 66% the missile/drone capacity it was at when the war started, and the US is what? Out of patriots? They also now know they will beat the US in an all out conflict, which was unthinkable before this war started. The main loss seems to be that with the Iranian / US supply lines into Ukraine slowing down, Ukraine has been able to build a domestic military drone complex that’s arguably more advanced than Iran’s.
jjk166 4mo ago
It's dropping that one last straw on the camel's back which caused the problem. This isn't an overburdened camel issue.
daheza 4mo ago
I’ve seen this “we didn’t know how to pronounce Hormuz” line being repeated across the internet the last few days. Is it perhaps a new right aligned talking point meant to backtrack some of the “Trump is so incompetent” lines the left has been throwing out by making it seemn like EVERYONE was surprised by the events of the war? It would be neat if there was some tracking of these kinds of political catch phrases sources and timelines, maybe that exists already.
quadhome 4mo ago
You must be young. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanker_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanker_war

Remember, we didn't know how to pronounce hormuz until bombs started falling on people's head. The bombs and those who dropped them caused the problem. This isn't an energy issue.

vizzier 4mo ago

> This isn't an energy issue. Renewables don't have the same level of external dependence on a constant flow of instantaneously used fuel. So while I do agree with you, it is an energy issue regardless of your politics.

kakacik 4mo ago

Hormuz was in the news quite a bit in the past decade, if you followed the region at least a bit. Anyway electric cars will have some boom now.

netsharc 4mo ago

Well, the Trump-Netanyahu axis turned it from "We're going to have an inhospitable planet within the next century" problem to a "We need an affordable alternative source of energy right now" problem...

KaiserPro 4mo ago

> we didn't know how to pronounce hormuz until bombs started falling I mean that might be true for you, but its been on the radar over here for a number of years. (it was also a key risk with Iran identified by a number of key intelligence think tanks. especially around the time of the anti-nuclear treaty negotiations) But to your point, youre right its not an energy issue, its an energy and materials issue. There are lots of pre-cursor chemicals and products that come out of that region that the modern world needs to function. The more pressing issue is the fertiliser price spike: https://ycharts.com/indicators/fertilizers_index_world_bank https://ycharts.com/indicators/fertilizers_index_world_bank which has yet to fully mateirlaise. You'll note that spike corolate with lots of civil unrest

dbt00 4mo ago

I cannot stress enough how historically ignorant of a perspective this is. I don't know how you meant this, but Hormuz has been one of the most critical geopolitical choke points since 1979, and Iran has spent 45 years preparing to use it for leverage in exactly this situation. None of these facts should be a surprise to leaders of nations.

irishcoffee 4mo ago
Well apparently over 95% of that 45 years of preparing has been obliterated, their currency is in free fall, 2M people have become unemployed over there in the last few months, and a handful of idiots are playing a game of chicken with global implications. What a mess.
- analognoise 4mo ago
  I mean, their planning has been very effective. It's a decentralized strategy that plays to their strengths; it doesn't take a lot to hold the strait closed, and they can pressure everyone in the region very easily by attacking infrastructure (oil, but also desalinization plants). Their planning is so good it's turned this into the largest strategic embarrassment in the last... 80 years?
  - irishcoffee 4mo ago
    Conversely, Tehran is losing almost half a billion dollars a day. Nobody wins this stupid thing.
    - hedora 4mo ago
      Their military is at something like 66% the missile/drone capacity it was at when the war started, and the US is what? Out of patriots? They also now know they will beat the US in an all out conflict, which was unthinkable before this war started. The main loss seems to be that with the Iranian / US supply lines into Ukraine slowing down, Ukraine has been able to build a domestic military drone complex that’s arguably more advanced than Iran’s.

jjk166 4mo ago

It's dropping that one last straw on the camel's back which caused the problem. This isn't an overburdened camel issue.

daheza 4mo ago

I’ve seen this “we didn’t know how to pronounce Hormuz” line being repeated across the internet the last few days. Is it perhaps a new right aligned talking point meant to backtrack some of the “Trump is so incompetent” lines the left has been throwing out by making it seemn like EVERYONE was surprised by the events of the war? It would be neat if there was some tracking of these kinds of political catch phrases sources and timelines, maybe that exists already.

quadhome 4mo ago

You must be young. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanker_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanker_war