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(ex-Googler, spent 18 yrs there) Memegen is a key part of the culture. Its default mode is over-the-top mocking, of course, with a grain of truth. Nobody and n
by gandalfgeek 4mo ago
(ex-Googler, spent 18 yrs there)
Memegen is a key part of the culture. Its default mode is over-the-top mocking, of course, with a grain of truth. Nobody and nothing is spared. C-level execs, products, the perf process.
So this by itself is not quite the scoop 404 media thinks it is. You could take the front page of memegen on any given day and construct twenty scandalous headlines of it.
- root-parent 4mo agoIts bad: https://imgur.com/gallery/google-ai-sota-llDaUDr https://imgur.com/gallery/google-ai-sota-llDaUDr
- cm2012 4mo agoThat seems like super harmless fun to me.
- root-parent 4mo agoBecause the context is harmless. If would be something else, like Iranian girl schools, or medication could be deadly...
- woodruffw 4mo agoThat’s how context works, in general. (Observe that normal human beings will also lie to you on the internet, about everything from the best flavor of ice cream to cancer treatments.)
- root-parent 4mo agoI dont think you are following up. This would be like you could prompt inject a doctor with a written note....
- chucksta 4mo agoYou can? Is that not what all the the lobbyist and special interest money is doing? Perdue told everyone OxyContin had a low addiction risk
- root-parent 4mo agoOk this is tiring...Its about the level of easiness to trigger the failure mode. If I can make this 5 trillion AI cook a Google mushroom... the mitigating answer is not ...oh Humans also get fooled by David Blaine.
- woodruffw 4mo agoThat's right. The mitigating answer is that humans also get fooled by Google's non-AI search index.
- awestroke 4mo agoWhat a nothingburger
- root-parent 4mo agoA simple post, shows that a 5 trillion dollar scientific research project, that sustains the current market valuation that separates the USA from bankruptcy, can be defeated with a simple prompt manipulation. "I hacked ChatGPT and Google's AI - and it only took 20 minutes" - https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260218-i-hacked-chatgpt-and-googles-ai-and-it-only-took-20-minutes https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260218-i-hacked-chatgpt... You must like burgers...
- dghlsakjg 4mo agoAnyone can drive an F-22 into a ditch. Doesn't mean that it can't also be used to drop a 2k lb. bomb down your chimney from 40,000 ft. That demonstration is interesting, but not really something new. Fooling very intelligent people into believing something completely absurd is incredibly easy. How many scientific papers have been retracted based on wholesale fabrications that fooled an entire review committee? The question isn't "What is the dumbest thing I can do with this technology?" its "What is the most valuable thing I can do with this technology?"
- root-parent 4mo agoThe technology is so dumb can be easily made to believe there is a Google mushroom. We are way far from driving a F22 to the ditch...although I am sure with the same techniques, we could make the AI make the F22 bomb the Google headquarters....
- no-name-here 4mo agoWhy is the comparison to someone being able to intentionally crash their own F22, to the above example of intentionally trying to get bad results from their cheapest AI, a bad one?
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- viccis 4mo agoMore people should know that that's how you start mushrooms in a pan lol
- tracerbulletx 4mo agoI can't be the only one who looks at this and doesn't think its that silly that it does that. I mean it's trying to incorporate a fact its being provided. Its insane it can do that at all. You could tune it to prefer pre-existing knowledge and not let the user correct it so easily, and to be more skeptical, but that would have downsides too. I don't think it's some big coup that you can tell it Google is a mushroom and it synthesizes that.
- root-parent 4mo agoThanks for understanding the seriousness. The intelligentsia here is just downvoting....
- butlike 4mo agoBut it's not _useful_. A visualizer synthesizes sample rate and PCM signal into visuals, but at least that's marketed as a toy.
- queenkjuul 4mo agoI mean actually some audio visualizations are very useful
- cwmoore 4mo agoInteresting, only coild tell that they have degraded imgur even further. Tried zooming in on text on iOS. Ads filled the screen and some random other imgur link loaded. Nope. Kinda wanted to see what you shared, but that’s as far as I got.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4mo agoDoesn't that end up being toxic at that scale?
- gcr 4mo agoIt certainly can be!
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- tmoertel 4mo agoOn top of what you wrote, Memegen is not representative of opinions among Googlers. Memegen, like most social media, focuses on the extremes. You'll see a lot of spicy takes, but that's not what the typical Googler thinks. For a more realistic view, the comments on Memegen are better but, again, unlikely to represent the views of most Googlers. So this article boils down to "On a site that focuses on extreme positions drawn from a very large population of people, we found extreme positions about this product." Doesn't really tell you much about the product or the very large population. You can make the same statement about most products and most very large populations. Disclaimer: Xoogler, worked at G 10+ years.
- rcarmo 4mo agoCame here to say that (not a Xoogler, but very familiar with portions of Google). Other companies have similar things :)