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Is it really that hard to believe people don't want to support a state that has brutally occupied half of Europe for 50 years and is right now murdering Ukraini

Is it really that hard to believe people don't want to support a state that has brutally occupied half of Europe for 50 years and is right now murdering Ukrainians every day? Russia is waging a hybrid war against Europe (and the West in general), there's no way I'd give one of their biggest tech companies even a cent.

orphea 4mo ago
people don't want to support a state that has brutally occupied half of Europe Sure. The comments above were about Russians though, not the state.
- aboardRat4 4mo ago
  States consist of people. Russians are shareholders of Russia.
  - orphea 4mo ago
    It would be true if Russia was democracy. It is not.
    - aboardRat4 4mo ago
      It's not a democracy because they neglect their shareholder duties. In other words, they are responsible for not making it a democracy.
      - orphea 4mo ago
        This is a naive point of view. I can't blame you though, you probably live in a better part of the world.
        aboardRat4 4mo ago
        The world also consists of people. Are you saying that people around me are better than the Russians? Sure, nice to have finally agree about something. But that just proves the point you were trying to argue with.
        orphea 4mo ago
        No, you misread. I didn't say people around you are better; I said you probably live in a country with working government institutions and fair elections. I don't feel you approach this discussion in good faith. I see no point in continuing.
        aboardRat4 4mo ago
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    - blue_pants 4mo ago
      It is silly to grant agency and moral responsibility exclusively to people living within democracies. The Putin regime made an informal deal with the population "You stay out of politics and we're gonna stay out of your life". The people outsource political power to the regime. This passive majority represents the bulk of the population, but not the whole of the population. There are two smaller groups. Ultra-patriots who criticize Putin for not doing more war, more suffering etc. And those who criticize the Putin for the war, although this group is not very vocal, but here I do agree with you that's it's difficult to publicly protest in an authoritarian regime.

orphea 4mo ago

people don't want to support a state that has brutally occupied half of Europe Sure. The comments above were about Russians though, not the state.

aboardRat4 4mo ago
States consist of people. Russians are shareholders of Russia.
- orphea 4mo ago
  It would be true if Russia was democracy. It is not.
  - aboardRat4 4mo ago
    It's not a democracy because they neglect their shareholder duties. In other words, they are responsible for not making it a democracy.
    - orphea 4mo ago
      This is a naive point of view. I can't blame you though, you probably live in a better part of the world.
      - aboardRat4 4mo ago
        The world also consists of people. Are you saying that people around me are better than the Russians? Sure, nice to have finally agree about something. But that just proves the point you were trying to argue with.
        orphea 4mo ago
        No, you misread. I didn't say people around you are better; I said you probably live in a country with working government institutions and fair elections. I don't feel you approach this discussion in good faith. I see no point in continuing.
        aboardRat4 4mo ago
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  - blue_pants 4mo ago
    It is silly to grant agency and moral responsibility exclusively to people living within democracies. The Putin regime made an informal deal with the population "You stay out of politics and we're gonna stay out of your life". The people outsource political power to the regime. This passive majority represents the bulk of the population, but not the whole of the population. There are two smaller groups. Ultra-patriots who criticize Putin for not doing more war, more suffering etc. And those who criticize the Putin for the war, although this group is not very vocal, but here I do agree with you that's it's difficult to publicly protest in an authoritarian regime.