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US military deterrence has been a paper tiger ever since Biden told Iran "don't" [1], and Iran did, and Biden did not respond. Now whoever the sitting US presid

US military deterrence has been a paper tiger ever since Biden told Iran "don't" [1], and Iran did, and Biden did not respond. Now whoever the sitting US president would be - Trump or anybody else - must restore that deterrence. There is no nice or easy way to do that. The last time the US had to do that was during WW2 and the enemies were not floating heavy, extended media campaigns and funding US universities at the time. [1] https://m.youtube.com/shorts/A8ce6wzoReA https://m.youtube.com/shorts/A8ce6wzoReA

ben_w 5mo ago
The Millenium Challenge was 2002, predating Biden by about 20 years, and was the same year Iran was named as part of the "Axis of Evil". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil#2002_State_of_the_Union_Address https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil#2002_State_of_the...
- dotancohen 5mo ago
  Yes, Iran had had nuclear ambitions for decades. How is that relevant?
  - ben_w 5mo ago
    Are you asking how the 2002 Millenium Challenge showing that the US Navy would lose any directy military engagement with Iran by a large margin is relevant to "The American navy was already a paper tiger ~20 years before your example with Biden"?
sofixa 5mo ago
The reason why Iran was even back in the nuclear game was because a moron pulled out of the JCPOA that was giving them concrete steps and carrots to get them to stop.
- defrost 5mo ago
  An agreement that had independent inspectors from several countries accessing utilities and leaving behind tamper resistant (and tamper revealing) instrumentation at regular intervals (along with the usual back and forth robust discussions). The sort of gear that could count atoms from Fukushima drifting across the oceans to end up in HVAC filters in middle North America.
- cmxch 5mo ago
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  - sofixa 5mo ago
    Not at all. Iran was rewarded with progressive sanction relief and progressive unblocking of their own money that was seized decades ago, as long as they continued cooperating.
    - dotancohen 5mo ago
      They only had to cooperate until January 2026, then they were free to carry on with their nuclear ambitions.
      - nixon_why69 5mo ago
        This is a great example of where the Israeli perspective diverges from the American. The classic American perspective wouldn't worry about that because being part of our market is so attractive. There is a win-win here, they are not mindless orcs.
        krapp 5mo ago
        >The Israeli perspective assumes the muslims are mindless orcs that can't be reasoned with as humans. It seems that the American perspective after 9/11 has become more or less the same.

ben_w 5mo ago

The Millenium Challenge was 2002, predating Biden by about 20 years, and was the same year Iran was named as part of the "Axis of Evil". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil#2002_State_of_the_Union_Address https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil#2002_State_of_the...

dotancohen 5mo ago
Yes, Iran had had nuclear ambitions for decades. How is that relevant?
- ben_w 5mo ago
  Are you asking how the 2002 Millenium Challenge showing that the US Navy would lose any directy military engagement with Iran by a large margin is relevant to "The American navy was already a paper tiger ~20 years before your example with Biden"?

sofixa 5mo ago

The reason why Iran was even back in the nuclear game was because a moron pulled out of the JCPOA that was giving them concrete steps and carrots to get them to stop.

defrost 5mo ago
An agreement that had independent inspectors from several countries accessing utilities and leaving behind tamper resistant (and tamper revealing) instrumentation at regular intervals (along with the usual back and forth robust discussions). The sort of gear that could count atoms from Fukushima drifting across the oceans to end up in HVAC filters in middle North America.
cmxch 5mo ago
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- sofixa 5mo ago
  Not at all. Iran was rewarded with progressive sanction relief and progressive unblocking of their own money that was seized decades ago, as long as they continued cooperating.
  - dotancohen 5mo ago
    They only had to cooperate until January 2026, then they were free to carry on with their nuclear ambitions.
    - nixon_why69 5mo ago
      This is a great example of where the Israeli perspective diverges from the American. The classic American perspective wouldn't worry about that because being part of our market is so attractive. There is a win-win here, they are not mindless orcs.
      - krapp 5mo ago
        >The Israeli perspective assumes the muslims are mindless orcs that can't be reasoned with as humans. It seems that the American perspective after 9/11 has become more or less the same.