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10 years from now: Climate Activist: The oceans are getting warmer & global currents are threatened by imminent collapse - we must do something! Big Oil: Prov

by iqp 4mo ago

10 years from now: Climate Activist: The oceans are getting warmer & global currents are threatened by imminent collapse - we must do something! Big Oil: Prove it! Climate Activist: Data gathered between 2016 and 2026 shows ... Big Oil: That's old news! Do you have more recent data? Climate Activist: Well, no, because Trump2 dismantled the ocean observation system in 2026 ... Big Oil: So you have no data to back up your claims? Climate Activist: Not recent data, no, but ... Big Oil: Case dismissed! Why should anyone take action based on subjective opinion, not backed up by hard data? For all we know the oceans could have miraculously cooled & the currents are fine!

armada651 4mo ago
It's mostly just about getting the data out of the news cycle. If you don't have new data on the oceans warming then there's no news story, so less pressure on Big Oil to greenwash their industry.
x-complexity 4mo ago
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- asdff 4mo ago
  HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Good one.
  - x-complexity 4mo ago
    I'm dead serious. Where are the charities who're supposedly aligned wuth such a mission? Where're the blue states?
    - asdff 4mo ago
      Money doesn't magically materialize to save things from hitting the floor when Trump has a brilliant idea like this.
      - thrownthatway 4mo ago
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    - conception 4mo ago
      Blue states are too busy giving welfare to the red states.
- intended 4mo ago
  Private control of public data which is needed for the commons has worked very well so far.
- margalabargala 4mo ago
  That doesn't happen overnight, or in time for the program to not be dismantled.
- triceratops 4mo ago
  As TFA shows they're having plenty of trouble.
- UncleMeat 4mo ago
  "Valuable to society" and "valuable in the sense that it produces a profit for a business funding it" are different things. This is the reason why we have government funding.
thrownthatway 4mo ago
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- margalabargala 4mo ago
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  - mjanx123 4mo ago
    A change that is going to creep in over decades, known about ahead of time, is not a crisis and not a reason to panic. You can still today buy lands that are going to be submerged under the sea and make net profit before that happens.
    - margalabargala 4mo ago
      Disagree. A self-inflicted situation that is preventable and gets increasingly bad over time with no limit to how bad it can get, is a crisis. We're already today experiencing some consequences of that. They're going to get worse, not better. The easiest time to prevent the amount of worse they could get, is to act now. That's why it's a crisis. We are today creating our situation 20 years in the future, which currently looks bleak.
- conception 4mo ago
  You forgot to add “World sees more negative effects from Climate Change” after each of those panics there.

by iqp 4mo ago

armada651 4mo ago

It's mostly just about getting the data out of the news cycle. If you don't have new data on the oceans warming then there's no news story, so less pressure on Big Oil to greenwash their industry.

x-complexity 4mo ago

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asdff 4mo ago
HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Good one.
- x-complexity 4mo ago
  I'm dead serious. Where are the charities who're supposedly aligned wuth such a mission? Where're the blue states?
  - asdff 4mo ago
    Money doesn't magically materialize to save things from hitting the floor when Trump has a brilliant idea like this.
    - thrownthatway 4mo ago
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  - conception 4mo ago
    Blue states are too busy giving welfare to the red states.
intended 4mo ago
Private control of public data which is needed for the commons has worked very well so far.
margalabargala 4mo ago
That doesn't happen overnight, or in time for the program to not be dismantled.
triceratops 4mo ago
As TFA shows they're having plenty of trouble.
UncleMeat 4mo ago
"Valuable to society" and "valuable in the sense that it produces a profit for a business funding it" are different things. This is the reason why we have government funding.

thrownthatway 4mo ago

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margalabargala 4mo ago
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- mjanx123 4mo ago
  A change that is going to creep in over decades, known about ahead of time, is not a crisis and not a reason to panic. You can still today buy lands that are going to be submerged under the sea and make net profit before that happens.
  - margalabargala 4mo ago
    Disagree. A self-inflicted situation that is preventable and gets increasingly bad over time with no limit to how bad it can get, is a crisis. We're already today experiencing some consequences of that. They're going to get worse, not better. The easiest time to prevent the amount of worse they could get, is to act now. That's why it's a crisis. We are today creating our situation 20 years in the future, which currently looks bleak.
conception 4mo ago
You forgot to add “World sees more negative effects from Climate Change” after each of those panics there.