I essentially agree with them. Programmers are people who know what they're doing, like janitors. Hackers are people who don't know what they're doing and are

I essentially agree with them. Programmers are people who know what they're doing, like janitors. Hackers are people who don't know what they're doing and are trying to figure things out, like scientists. Code that shows you didn't know what you were doing is a hack. Code that shows an innovative way to do something is a cool hack.