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If you do the math, they don't have a choice. If China captures America's AI market it'll cause a major depression. They'll give it the BYD treatment, though it
by CuriouslyC 5mo ago
If you do the math, they don't have a choice. If China captures America's AI market it'll cause a major depression. They'll give it the BYD treatment, though it'll be a lot less effective.
- WarmWash 5mo agoThey'll ban them because (unless run locally or self-hosted) they are just data capture tools for the China.
- dakolli 5mo agoPlease explain to me how that works. If I download gguf file and run inference with it, how is it collecting and sending data back to China? This makes no sense, 99% of the people using Chinese models are using them via Western inference providers who are running them and serving them to people over openrouter or whatever. If anyone is stealing your data it would be an American or European inference provider. A model has no ability to send data anywhere. China bad by default, right?
- satvikpendem 5mo ago> unless run locally or self-hosted
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- postsantum 5mo agoYou will see soon that china uses illegal uyghur children labor to train these models so we should all boycott them
- corpoposter 5mo agoIf it’s open weight then anyone can run it for you. Presumably someone you trust just as much as US proprietary models.
- dzhiurgis 5mo agoI don't think they'll offer open models for long. Since they've actually invested in power, cheap chips, cheap memory and can subsidize tokens - they'll keep undercutting big models to capture data forever. Bonus if they remove ridiculous safeguards and China will be unstoppable.
- atwrk 5mo agoPretty sure they'll offer them at least so long as it takes to bring OpenAI and Anthropic into insolvency. Why wouldn't they? The Chinese models are way more nimble to train and run, bring in a ton of goodwill globally, and put immense pressure on the VC furnace that is the US AI sector. And apparently OpenAI and Anthropic think so, too - why else would they try so hard to ban them instead of outcompeting them?
- throwa356262 4mo agoYou dont think CIA and NSA are reading the data Asian and European companies and individuals send to openai and antropic?
- arealaccount 5mo agoThe “you wouldn’t download a car” meme applies here