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> Plastic surgery is obvious Survivorship bias, you only notice the plastic surgery that isn't good. Most of the time it's invisible, your brain doesn't proces

> Plastic surgery is obvious Survivorship bias, you only notice the plastic surgery that isn't good. Most of the time it's invisible, your brain doesn't process the individual change, you just get the sense that the person looks better/less tired/more put together. >Lip injections are obvious Same phenomenon, but even if they are obvious some people like that aesthetic, in the same way that dyed hair/painted nails are obvious, but that's the point >Leg lengthening, I mean have you seen the proportions after For some men it is far better to be 6' with wonky proportions than 5'7" with perfect proportions. There is far more hate directed towards short men than men with long legs. >Hair transplants too. I mean are we acting like steve jobs wasn't still a handsome man with his grey thinning head? Not everyone is as handsome as Steve Jobs. If you have a handsome face you can get away with balding, if not then its a further infliction on how people percieve you. >Sorry, but we all shrivel up like a raisin by the end If we all die after 80 or so years then what's the point of doing anything? Why get a job, why put any effort into personal grooming?

MengerSponge 4mo ago
Plastic surgery can be obvious, which is useful signaling for some groups.
asdff 4mo ago
Everyone looks great if they live healthily and groom themselves. No one is actually an ugly duckling. >If we all die after 80 or so years then what's the point of doing anything? Why get a job, why put any effort into personal grooming? Because you want to be fit and healthy? All these surgeries are orthogonal to that. Every surgery is risky even medically necessary ones. You shower and groom yourself to prevent skin issues. You work out to simulate the hunter gatherer lifestyle your body is adapted to in the modern society which does not sufficiently pressure these adaptions. This stuff is your oil change and tire rotation. It is maintenance really. These surgeries are not maintenance however. It is like ricing the civic while it burns oil and the transmission makes scary sounds.
- atleastoptimal 4mo ago
  > Everyone looks great if they live healthily and groom themselves. Not true for everyone. Simply living healthily and grooming, you are still limited by the ceiling imposed by your body. Sometimes it just doesn't live up to the aesthetic demands of the human psyche, used to a superstimulus of attractiveness as the norm. >Every surgery is risky even medically necessary ones Most cosmetic surgeries carry very little risk, your overall risk from even being a moderate drinker, commuting to work in a car, being mildly overweight are far higher in aggregate. My main point is, the human modern social world isn't a perfect arbiter of reward based on whether you are doing all the "right things", by being generally healthy. Sometimes people get a disease, like cancer, and nothing our body evolved to do can help, but human-invented therapies can actually help. Likewise, you can be perfectly healthy and nevertheless start balding, and no amount of generally being healthy is going to fix it, and no amount of generally being healthy will mitigate the minor albeit real social cost of it.
  - asdff 4mo ago
    Donald fricking trump is the president of the united states. You don't have to be pretty to get far in life.
    - atleastoptimal 4mo ago
      An exception isn't the rule. However Donald Trump by NY billionare real estate executive standards is fairly good looking, is very tall and has no major deformities. I doubt Trump would have gotten as far as he did if he were below average height, balding and didn't have expensive veneers.
      - asdff 4mo ago
        Sure he would have. Plenty of people at the top of their industry are short, bald, and not conventionally attractive. People only have a good 10-15 years between looking 16 and showing signs of aging, sometimes much less. Such a small percent of one's life. But, people are not rational or logical but highly emotional. They see a grey hair and they feel bad. A wrinkle and they think it is the end for them. Sorry, you are becoming a high mileage car. This is just what happens. You got a lot more in you to go though.
toasty228 4mo ago
> Survivorship bias, you only notice the plastic surgery that isn't good. Most of the time it's invisible, your brain doesn't process the individual change So you're telling me all these Hollywood stars having infinite money, access to the best surgeons and are literally paid to look good get butchered on purpose?
- atleastoptimal 4mo ago
  Yes, often times it's some specific surgeon that overpromises, messes up, then subsequent surgeries which attempt to patch the issues end up failing. There are many celebrity surgeons who are good at marketing but bad at execution, and many celebs themselves who can't discern a good or bad job.
sevenseacat 4mo ago
what on earth, there's no "hate" for short men?

MengerSponge 4mo ago

Plastic surgery can be obvious, which is useful signaling for some groups.

asdff 4mo ago

Everyone looks great if they live healthily and groom themselves. No one is actually an ugly duckling. >If we all die after 80 or so years then what's the point of doing anything? Why get a job, why put any effort into personal grooming? Because you want to be fit and healthy? All these surgeries are orthogonal to that. Every surgery is risky even medically necessary ones. You shower and groom yourself to prevent skin issues. You work out to simulate the hunter gatherer lifestyle your body is adapted to in the modern society which does not sufficiently pressure these adaptions. This stuff is your oil change and tire rotation. It is maintenance really. These surgeries are not maintenance however. It is like ricing the civic while it burns oil and the transmission makes scary sounds.

atleastoptimal 4mo ago
> Everyone looks great if they live healthily and groom themselves. Not true for everyone. Simply living healthily and grooming, you are still limited by the ceiling imposed by your body. Sometimes it just doesn't live up to the aesthetic demands of the human psyche, used to a superstimulus of attractiveness as the norm. >Every surgery is risky even medically necessary ones Most cosmetic surgeries carry very little risk, your overall risk from even being a moderate drinker, commuting to work in a car, being mildly overweight are far higher in aggregate. My main point is, the human modern social world isn't a perfect arbiter of reward based on whether you are doing all the "right things", by being generally healthy. Sometimes people get a disease, like cancer, and nothing our body evolved to do can help, but human-invented therapies can actually help. Likewise, you can be perfectly healthy and nevertheless start balding, and no amount of generally being healthy is going to fix it, and no amount of generally being healthy will mitigate the minor albeit real social cost of it.
- asdff 4mo ago
  Donald fricking trump is the president of the united states. You don't have to be pretty to get far in life.
  - atleastoptimal 4mo ago
    An exception isn't the rule. However Donald Trump by NY billionare real estate executive standards is fairly good looking, is very tall and has no major deformities. I doubt Trump would have gotten as far as he did if he were below average height, balding and didn't have expensive veneers.
    - asdff 4mo ago
      Sure he would have. Plenty of people at the top of their industry are short, bald, and not conventionally attractive. People only have a good 10-15 years between looking 16 and showing signs of aging, sometimes much less. Such a small percent of one's life. But, people are not rational or logical but highly emotional. They see a grey hair and they feel bad. A wrinkle and they think it is the end for them. Sorry, you are becoming a high mileage car. This is just what happens. You got a lot more in you to go though.

toasty228 4mo ago

> Survivorship bias, you only notice the plastic surgery that isn't good. Most of the time it's invisible, your brain doesn't process the individual change So you're telling me all these Hollywood stars having infinite money, access to the best surgeons and are literally paid to look good get butchered on purpose?

atleastoptimal 4mo ago
Yes, often times it's some specific surgeon that overpromises, messes up, then subsequent surgeries which attempt to patch the issues end up failing. There are many celebrity surgeons who are good at marketing but bad at execution, and many celebs themselves who can't discern a good or bad job.

sevenseacat 4mo ago

what on earth, there's no "hate" for short men?