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Any reason why this device wouldn't have Z-Wave? Is the wireless protocol significantly different than Thread and Zigbee?

Aurornis 4mo ago
This device only has a 2.4GHz radio. Z-Wave is sub-1GHz.
mherkender 4mo ago
I don't know for sure but Bluetooth, WiFi and Zigbee are on the same frequency band. Z-Wave is not. (at least in the US, not sure about other countries)
wiml 4mo ago
As I understand it, Z-Wave is substantially more closed/proprietary. Both Thread and Zigbee are protocols that run on top of 802.15.4, which Espressif already has in other products.
- jon-wood 4mo ago
  I think Z-Wave is a bit more open now but everything I’m seeing indicates Zigbee has pretty thoroughly killed it by not requiring arduous certification processes and being generally easier to work with. Z-Wave is technically superior with the ability to have devices directly communicate with each other for basic functionality but at least for me that wasn’t worth the massive markup and I’m slowly replacing anything z-wave with Zigbee equivalents.
  - adamfeldman 4mo ago
    Zigbee supports binding, allowing devices to directly control each other without the intervention of a controller. For example, I've Inovelli light switches that communicate directly with Zigbee smart bulbs.
    - jon-wood 4mo ago
      Oh neat, I'd not seen that exposed in the UI of anything I'm using with Zigbee so had assumed it wasn't a thing.
cyberax 4mo ago
Z-Wave is completely different from Zigbee. Different frequency bands, modulation, etc. And there are still just two suppliers of Z-Wave radios, as far as I know. I haven't bothered to re-check recently. Up until ~2022 there was just _one_ supplier, you could open any Z-Wave device and find exactly the same chip. Sometimes on a cute little daughter board.
wildekek 4mo ago
Z-Wave works on a different frequency and would separate radio hardware. And then comes the licensing cost.

Aurornis 4mo ago

This device only has a 2.4GHz radio. Z-Wave is sub-1GHz.

mherkender 4mo ago

I don't know for sure but Bluetooth, WiFi and Zigbee are on the same frequency band. Z-Wave is not. (at least in the US, not sure about other countries)

wiml 4mo ago

As I understand it, Z-Wave is substantially more closed/proprietary. Both Thread and Zigbee are protocols that run on top of 802.15.4, which Espressif already has in other products.

jon-wood 4mo ago
I think Z-Wave is a bit more open now but everything I’m seeing indicates Zigbee has pretty thoroughly killed it by not requiring arduous certification processes and being generally easier to work with. Z-Wave is technically superior with the ability to have devices directly communicate with each other for basic functionality but at least for me that wasn’t worth the massive markup and I’m slowly replacing anything z-wave with Zigbee equivalents.
- adamfeldman 4mo ago
  Zigbee supports binding, allowing devices to directly control each other without the intervention of a controller. For example, I've Inovelli light switches that communicate directly with Zigbee smart bulbs.
  - jon-wood 4mo ago
    Oh neat, I'd not seen that exposed in the UI of anything I'm using with Zigbee so had assumed it wasn't a thing.

cyberax 4mo ago

Z-Wave is completely different from Zigbee. Different frequency bands, modulation, etc. And there are still just two suppliers of Z-Wave radios, as far as I know. I haven't bothered to re-check recently. Up until ~2022 there was just _one_ supplier, you could open any Z-Wave device and find exactly the same chip. Sometimes on a cute little daughter board.

wildekek 4mo ago

Z-Wave works on a different frequency and would separate radio hardware. And then comes the licensing cost.