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> VW ID.3 VW ID.3 is designed by a Chinese team in China, built in Shanghai backed entirely by the Chinese ecosystem. You need to be totally blind to consider

by tw1984 4mo ago

> VW ID.3 VW ID.3 is designed by a Chinese team in China, built in Shanghai backed entirely by the Chinese ecosystem. You need to be totally blind to consider vw being able to design & produce such a car on its own. let's be straight - the software in the car is not something Germany can build on its own. That 20 years gap won't be filled overnight.

benj111 4mo ago
Not according to what I've just read. It's sold in china via a joint venture with saic and seems to have been slightly redesigned for the china market.
Peanuts99 4mo ago
This is false, the ID.3 was designed primarily in Germany but they sell a model customised to the Chinese market. They're two different cars from different production facilities. All the control modules for the German model at least are manufactured by Bosch and Valeo in France and Germany - where the software is also produced. As an aside, Bosch produces control modules and the underlying software for just about every western car manufacturer. 80%+ cars sold worldwide use their traction control system for example so I'm not sure where this so-called gap is.
dzhiurgis 4mo ago
> software in the car is not something Germany can build on its own Chinese can't either. BYD is a joke. Zeekr is close, but still not quite there. Soon they'll be unstoppable tho.
Toutouxc 4mo ago
What the hell are you talking about? Why are you lying? ID.3 is a MEB car, its production started in Zwickau (Germany) in November 2019, two years before it even arrived to China, and one year before the SOP of ANY MEB car (ID.4 was the first one) in Anting (Shanghai).
tibbydudeza 4mo ago
That would be the case for the new China only Audi E5/E7X - they are just using the word AUDI on the car and not the iconic 4 rings. It is made by SAIC using their factory and EV platform - it was just cheaper to outsource it and meet the deadlines and pricing.
antonkochubey 4mo ago
The kind of software needed in a car (minimal or ideally none at all except for DME and CarPlay display) is indeed not something that Germans were able to build on their own in the recent times.

by tw1984 4mo ago

benj111 4mo ago

Not according to what I've just read. It's sold in china via a joint venture with saic and seems to have been slightly redesigned for the china market.

Peanuts99 4mo ago

This is false, the ID.3 was designed primarily in Germany but they sell a model customised to the Chinese market. They're two different cars from different production facilities. All the control modules for the German model at least are manufactured by Bosch and Valeo in France and Germany - where the software is also produced. As an aside, Bosch produces control modules and the underlying software for just about every western car manufacturer. 80%+ cars sold worldwide use their traction control system for example so I'm not sure where this so-called gap is.

dzhiurgis 4mo ago

> software in the car is not something Germany can build on its own Chinese can't either. BYD is a joke. Zeekr is close, but still not quite there. Soon they'll be unstoppable tho.

Toutouxc 4mo ago

What the hell are you talking about? Why are you lying? ID.3 is a MEB car, its production started in Zwickau (Germany) in November 2019, two years before it even arrived to China, and one year before the SOP of ANY MEB car (ID.4 was the first one) in Anting (Shanghai).

tibbydudeza 4mo ago

That would be the case for the new China only Audi E5/E7X - they are just using the word AUDI on the car and not the iconic 4 rings. It is made by SAIC using their factory and EV platform - it was just cheaper to outsource it and meet the deadlines and pricing.

antonkochubey 4mo ago

The kind of software needed in a car (minimal or ideally none at all except for DME and CarPlay display) is indeed not something that Germans were able to build on their own in the recent times.