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Japan declines to join movement to ban youth from social media

48 points by BaudouinVH 4mo ago

Shank 4mo ago
For context, Japanese mobile lines for children include net filtering by default. Also, mobile lines require positive ID to get, so you can't simply get a burner mobile line. A phone number that can send or receive phone calls or SMS is tied to a real world identity, and transferring is illegal. So, a neat way of requiring ID checks is to simply offload these things to carriers with phone number validation. In contrast, the US is an example of a country where getting a phone number with no stringent ID check is trivial and it can easily do SMS and phone calls without a second glance. *ID verification was recently tightened to require reading the IC card data from My Number Card (the national identity card) or in-person KYC for non-IC card users (like a copy of family registry).
- throw1234567891 4mo ago
  > In contrast, the US is an example of a country where getting a phone number with no stringent ID check is trivial and it can easily do SMS and phone calls without a second glance. And the funny part: you buy it from the at&t store, you start receiving dodgy calls and texts almost immediately because those numbers are recycled.
  - rationalist 4mo ago
    There are people who make a living by intentionally getting recycled numbers and then suing telemarketers that call or text them. A search for "professional TCPA plaintiffs", reveals some interesting links: https://www.leadgen-economy.com/blog/serial-tcpa-litigators-professional-plaintiffs/ https://www.leadgen-economy.com/blog/serial-tcpa-litigators-... https://www.consumerfinancialserviceslawmonitor.com/2023/09/professional-plaintiffs-tcpa-default-judgment-of-828k-upheld/ https://www.consumerfinancialserviceslawmonitor.com/2023/09/...
    - chadgpt3 4mo ago
      TBH I can't see any problem with this approach.
      - rationalist 4mo ago
        Me either. I'm tempted to call them "heroes".
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VJ-2-108 4mo ago
Australia just banned social media for under 16s. Living here, the conversation feels very real.
- anthk 4mo ago
  Kids under a walled garden until they hit adulthood. Enjoy your surveillance systems on everyone and no way to behave themselves with their own criteria. A recipe for a disaster and to get adults back to the consumer world of the 90's. No more MSN or AOL like networks for teen creating their own contents, nothing like MySpace or similar. Just tons of bullshit from corporatons to get their money stolen from. Kids at 14 will be really good crackers and hackers in order to escape the media hell the late 90's and early 00's where across the world. In that era I suffered shitty movies, shitty music, even shitter console ports... until 2003 or such. We had no issues on PC's with P2P sharing good media and libre gaming, generating a semi-enlightened generation of people, something the corporate goverment it's really scared of. When your content are good webcomics, indie music instead of the ones from Pentagon brainwashing machines called the Marvel saga from Disney, suddenly there are no more idiots joining the Army. Ditto with labor laws, or shitty famiy issues in Spain where everyone cheers them with a coat of dark humour in sitcoms, such as the -mandatory by law- care of the elderly from either their children or relatives (son-in-laws). Yes, TV's did brainwash us with tons of outdated Southern Europe lore as if it were normal, such as the RPG panic in TV and printed press -in the 90's they almost were The Gospel AKA the only valid source of information- while dumping ton of money on alcohol advertising for the young adult in mostly teen related series. What's the point of this in Spain? Well, easy: they wanted to create a society built upon bars, cheap tourism and to slay down any IT based backgrund so Spain was the cheap source of shitty holidays for Middle Europe. You know, the constructions lobbies in Spain among the tourism and restaurant/bar ones manage tons of money there. Remote work: no offices needed, estate and constructions companies losing billions of money. The only CEO from a UK multinational against remote work was the Spaniard one. It was fired over months. Period. UK companies don't give a shit on Spanish mafias related to construction and such. It's the exact same bullshit you are getting with Meta wanting ID control everywere, so they can exploit age related media with verified users instead of bots making FB/Meta useless for advertising. It's all about money and controlling the society. So, I'm tired of this crap, really tired. I'm fighting at 39 the same crap I fought at 19 with software freedom and non bullshit media. To hell with these nuts. They want to drive the lifes of teens to create controlled adults. Dear Austrialian media CEO's, you are doomed.
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48 points by BaudouinVH 4mo ago

Shank 4mo ago

For context, Japanese mobile lines for children include net filtering by default. Also, mobile lines require positive ID to get, so you can't simply get a burner mobile line. A phone number that can send or receive phone calls or SMS is tied to a real world identity, and transferring is illegal. So, a neat way of requiring ID checks is to simply offload these things to carriers with phone number validation. In contrast, the US is an example of a country where getting a phone number with no stringent ID check is trivial and it can easily do SMS and phone calls without a second glance. *ID verification was recently tightened to require reading the IC card data from My Number Card (the national identity card) or in-person KYC for non-IC card users (like a copy of family registry).

throw1234567891 4mo ago
> In contrast, the US is an example of a country where getting a phone number with no stringent ID check is trivial and it can easily do SMS and phone calls without a second glance. And the funny part: you buy it from the at&t store, you start receiving dodgy calls and texts almost immediately because those numbers are recycled.
- rationalist 4mo ago
  There are people who make a living by intentionally getting recycled numbers and then suing telemarketers that call or text them. A search for "professional TCPA plaintiffs", reveals some interesting links: https://www.leadgen-economy.com/blog/serial-tcpa-litigators-professional-plaintiffs/ https://www.leadgen-economy.com/blog/serial-tcpa-litigators-... https://www.consumerfinancialserviceslawmonitor.com/2023/09/professional-plaintiffs-tcpa-default-judgment-of-828k-upheld/ https://www.consumerfinancialserviceslawmonitor.com/2023/09/...
  - chadgpt3 4mo ago
    TBH I can't see any problem with this approach.
    - rationalist 4mo ago
      Me either. I'm tempted to call them "heroes".
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VJ-2-108 4mo ago

Australia just banned social media for under 16s. Living here, the conversation feels very real.

anthk 4mo ago
Kids under a walled garden until they hit adulthood. Enjoy your surveillance systems on everyone and no way to behave themselves with their own criteria. A recipe for a disaster and to get adults back to the consumer world of the 90's. No more MSN or AOL like networks for teen creating their own contents, nothing like MySpace or similar. Just tons of bullshit from corporatons to get their money stolen from. Kids at 14 will be really good crackers and hackers in order to escape the media hell the late 90's and early 00's where across the world. In that era I suffered shitty movies, shitty music, even shitter console ports... until 2003 or such. We had no issues on PC's with P2P sharing good media and libre gaming, generating a semi-enlightened generation of people, something the corporate goverment it's really scared of. When your content are good webcomics, indie music instead of the ones from Pentagon brainwashing machines called the Marvel saga from Disney, suddenly there are no more idiots joining the Army. Ditto with labor laws, or shitty famiy issues in Spain where everyone cheers them with a coat of dark humour in sitcoms, such as the -mandatory by law- care of the elderly from either their children or relatives (son-in-laws). Yes, TV's did brainwash us with tons of outdated Southern Europe lore as if it were normal, such as the RPG panic in TV and printed press -in the 90's they almost were The Gospel AKA the only valid source of information- while dumping ton of money on alcohol advertising for the young adult in mostly teen related series. What's the point of this in Spain? Well, easy: they wanted to create a society built upon bars, cheap tourism and to slay down any IT based backgrund so Spain was the cheap source of shitty holidays for Middle Europe. You know, the constructions lobbies in Spain among the tourism and restaurant/bar ones manage tons of money there. Remote work: no offices needed, estate and constructions companies losing billions of money. The only CEO from a UK multinational against remote work was the Spaniard one. It was fired over months. Period. UK companies don't give a shit on Spanish mafias related to construction and such. It's the exact same bullshit you are getting with Meta wanting ID control everywere, so they can exploit age related media with verified users instead of bots making FB/Meta useless for advertising. It's all about money and controlling the society. So, I'm tired of this crap, really tired. I'm fighting at 39 the same crap I fought at 19 with software freedom and non bullshit media. To hell with these nuts. They want to drive the lifes of teens to create controlled adults. Dear Austrialian media CEO's, you are doomed.

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