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Oh, I love the 2 sides of HN... Here everybody's ready to buy a BYD and even move to China, due to the sheer quality of the product (for the money) and the inte

• pepperoni_pizza 4mo ago
  It would be naive to think HN is not immune to influence operations. The people singing praises to China are not necessarily people.
  • xandrius 4mo ago
    Even more naive to think that the HN crowd is any more immune to propaganda than the non-HN folk.
  • BiteCode_dev 4mo ago
    They are probably people, paid for it. The comment are too well made. But also some are just real people from HN that are the worst kind of dumb : uneducated but smart, so they think their opinion is valid. This is where the "history at schoolis useless" people show their true color.
  • toasty228 4mo ago
    lol, every single american repeating "ChInA bAd" on every single thread mentioning china like automatons, while not being able to locate it on a map or name three living Chinese people", and having the audacity to talk about being under "influence"... the irony China's living rent free in your collective mind for 50+ years while they just chug along and slowly catches and surpasses you in most aspects.
• tiagod 4mo ago
  Isn't the social credit system mostly a credit score, similar to the one implemented in the United States? As someone living in a European country without such a thing, I also find that one pretty dystopian. About the data sending, wasn't there a quite recent incident where an American car manufacturer was leaking the real-time position of all their clients' vehicles? Aren't US telecoms selling position data of their clients? Isn't the US filled with surveillance cameras managed by a private company keeping track of every car? Do you base your last statement on anything, or is it just a hunch?
  • BiteCode_dev 4mo ago
    No, the social credit system can restrict your basic freedom, including the freedom of moving, without a judge being involved. The fact you are casually talking about it is infuriating. It's like taking about the yellow star and stay "isn't it like the pins in the US".
    • tiagod 4mo ago
      I see, thanks for the correction. Aren't people put in ICE detention centers and offshore prisons indefinitely with no charges and no judge involved, though? Or is that OK because they aren't citizens?
      • BiteCode_dev 4mo ago
        I'm not American. And the discussion is about the credit score system. We were discussing cancer, and instead of talking about it, you tried to avoid saying bad things about it and answered "isn't diabetes bad as well?". I assume now you are a China propaganda account and will stop answering to you.
        • tiagod 4mo ago
          The discussion was actually about privacy and human rights concerns when moving from western manufacturers to Chinese ones.
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• mbeavitt 4mo ago
  I really don’t understand why this social credit concept has become so widespread. It does sort of exist but not in the big government breathing down your neck kind of way. Here’s an example - you can rent e-bikes and power banks at low cost, they are everywhere. If you don’t return an e-bike or power bank after using it, not only will that company charge you, but you’ll likely get blacklisted from renting more, even at other companies. This is a good thing, no???
  • BiteCode_dev 4mo ago
    Feels like its the same poeple saying locked down OS stores are great because security and chrome engine in all browser is fantastic because then everything is standardized. But worse because here we are talking deep human topics. Such long period of peace made people forget about how the world work. And clearly studing history in school ks not working. I guess in the US they are getting a new shot right now to remember.
  • benj111 4mo ago
    Well it depends what legal protections are there to back it up. If you get threatened with blacklisting without recourse, that seems like a bad thing.
  • weberer 4mo ago
    That sounds awful. What if you have a dispute and they're the ones in the wrong? You can no longer just take your business elsewhere.
    • rikima_ 4mo ago
      understandable that people might have fears like this since this happens a lot in the west in my own experience, but in china you can always argue with them and the customer service is usually way better, or you can drop the nuke by reporting to the authorities.
• Netcob 4mo ago
  That pot&kettle contest between the US and China is really heating up! You might want to switch from "social credit" (which was a failed local project from over a decade ago) to "blacklist", or just criticize the overall surveillance system, which is pretty invasive. I'm getting a bit tired of people posting on social media websites and then pretending they are not a part of them. "Reddit" did this, "HN" did that... let's just admit that we're all chronically online people who get irritated whenever we stumble out of our bubble and more than one person dares to disagree with us.
• kakacik 4mo ago
  Well then we can unpack US and all the crap thats happening there. From an outsider, there ain't much difference China vs US, just different shades of brown. Comparing those 2, China is definitely more friendly to Europe, US gov publicly stated they want to break EU and make continent weaker FFS. Nobody is moving to China just because they make good cars now, I have never seen anybody stating that so no idea why the hyperbole. But good (enough) cars they do make and various other products, ignoring facts ain't a smart move in any case. Removing modem may kill new BMW as well as new Chevrolet and so on, so that argument is... weird. Expect more integration and dependence on online, like it or not. Repairability goes against primary incentives of all car manufacturers, they get significant revenue from official repair shops, often more than from sales themselves. Definitely true for that BMW, have a friend quite high in their sales team in Munich and he stated that few times.
• esskay 4mo ago
  The "Two sides" you're spotting is US posters vs non US posters. It's not exactly a secret that the US has long had a propaganda process going against China with their own citizens. From the outside it's weird how 'cult like' some parts of the US education system come across with things like this. It's similar to the whole socialism = communism = bad fear embedded into US society. The US obviously isn't the only one guilty of this kind of thing, it just happens to have been one of the most effective.
• toasty228 4mo ago
  > totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled. No problem with building the same surveillance state at home though right? At least China's on the way up while the US is slowly declining on virtually every aspects. American companies have been harvesting my data for 20 years, why wouldn't I give some to China? I interact with 0 chinese software in my day to day but dozens of american companies are harvesting and targeting me every single day since I started using internet. The free market isn't fun when you're not the ones making all the money and dominating countries you determine to be inferior?
• DangitBobby 4mo ago
  I frankly could not give less of a fuck about China spying on me. Spy away. At least they don't communicate their findings with my government. What I do care about is my own government spying on me, or domestic companies spying on me and selling that information to my government.
• stavros 4mo ago
  If you don't want the car to be sending data, you can remove the SIM from under the armrest.