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Open source all you want! It doesn't change the fact that they're spying the contents of your screen no matter what input is being used with Automatic Content R

Open source all you want! It doesn't change the fact that they're spying the contents of your screen no matter what input is being used with Automatic Content Recognition (ACR) technology https://docs.roku.com/published/acrservicepolicy/en/CA https://docs.roku.com/published/acrservicepolicy/en/CA

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riedel 4mo ago
The original idea of open source or rather free software is to bmactually "own" the code in a way that you can modify it to your needs. Guess this is not the case here, then. But I guess also most of android falls in that category that by now. I guess we should be using better,more attributes when describing open source
- paxcoder 4mo ago
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- bogwog 4mo ago
  "Free software" has always been a misleading term, unfortunately. Maybe calling it "Freedom software" instead would be clearer. But when you conflate free software with open source, you get confused people cheerleading their own abuse. Android is probably the worst offender here. Google Chrome, VSCode are others that come to mind.
- miki123211 4mo ago
  There's at least: source available - whether you can read the code open source - whether you can run (a modified version of) the code on some piece of hardware you own open hardware - whether the hardware they sell you lets you run modified versions of their code open contribution - whether they want your modifications free software - whether your modifications have to be open source too If it's at least source available, it can have any combination of these.
  - nwah1 4mo ago
    open hardware to me means that you have access to all of the specifications for building the hardware. Things like when the laptop company Framework posts github repos full of CAD models. Or, initiatives like RISC V. And, alongside that, there's also open firmware. Unlocked hardware is maybe what I would call hardware that enables swapping out the software. Although, historically, we didn't even need a term for that, because that was the default aside from outliers like Apple.
  - JacobKfromIRC 4mo ago
    I think your definition of "free software" is too strict, otherwise public domain software would not be free software
  - yencabulator 4mo ago
    Your definition of free software conflicts with the FSF's: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicen... https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
- functionmouse 4mo ago
  The idea of free software, yes, is to own the code in a way that you can modify it to your needs. The idea of "open source" as a mantra is to confuse and muddle the ideas of free software in order to subvert the ideologists in that camp into supporting and furthering the goals of billionaire corporations. "Open source" as a calling card is intended to kill free software.
gricardo99 4mo ago
you can disable this feature by going to Settings > Privacy > Smart TV Experience.
- nicman23 4mo ago
  can you ? can you really ?
  - gricardo99 4mo ago
    it’s open source now so presumably it’s harder to outright lie about how their system works.
ornornor 4mo ago
Samsung does that too and use it to sell you stuff, show you ads, and retarget you across devices! (Not saying it’s a good thing, but rather pointing out how common this is)
- mijoharas 4mo ago
  I'm really sick of the enshittification of smart TV's. A while after I've had my LG TV, and found every arcane different menu you need to remove all the ads. They started sending me ads via the notification pop-up. This continued even after finding and removing the consent for advertising (that I'd missed in one of the consent pop-ups.) I've considered and looked into "dumb" TVs, but I don't think they're for me. I just want one that's not enshittified!
  - cryo32 4mo ago
    I just don't bother with television full stop.
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    - Geroke 4mo ago
      I can't say I have either since they tried to change the format to cinema from electronic theatre.
  - surajrmal 4mo ago
    This is not "enshittification". That implies it's gotten worse over time. Smart TVs have been doing this from the beginning.
    - antonvs 4mo ago
      Smart TVs are the enshittification of regular TVs. An attempt to extract more money from the customer without providing a useful benefit.
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imglorp 4mo ago
Is this their dongles, TVs, or both?
- thesuitonym 4mo ago
  Both, and the speakerbars. Roku's business model is not selling hardware.
blackjack_ 4mo ago
Yeahhhh I had to disconnect mine from the internet due to this (I don’t want a display ad on the menu screen when I turn on my TV like WTF, my TV just enshittified itself randomly with an update that added this a year or two ago). Which would be fine but you can’t change the TV menu tile layout if you are disconnected from the internet… Just incredible layers of design stupidity here.
- jp191919 4mo ago
  I use pfblockerNG(like pi-hole but for pfsense) to block ads to my roku. And I set up pi-hole at family members houses to block ads and telemetry on theirs.
thesuitonym 4mo ago
Actually they don't want to open source it. This is the result of a lawsuit.
psadauskas 4mo ago
My router has a separate network for "appliances" (roku boxes, thermostats, etc) that has a very restrictive firewall that only allows internet access according to a manual allowlist.
- b112 4mo ago
  I feel a cold, dark anger everytime I see my fridge has a wifi connection. I live in a rural area, with an acre+ of land, but suspect my neighbours can still see it. And maybe an open wifi network of theirs can too.
naikrovek 4mo ago
it is amazing to me that the data collected by things like this is valuable enough to even consider implementing these things. advertising really has gotten well out of control. advertisers keep escalating, and i don't think that will ever stop. at some point the medium of television will be ruined, a lot like how mobile web browsing on ios is today. it seems like it will be necessary to ban this kind of thing, if advertising itself isn't banned entirely. they will not stop until they must break the law to proceed, and even then i'd give it 50/50 on them stopping collecting personal data.

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riedel 4mo ago

The original idea of open source or rather free software is to bmactually "own" the code in a way that you can modify it to your needs. Guess this is not the case here, then. But I guess also most of android falls in that category that by now. I guess we should be using better,more attributes when describing open source

paxcoder 4mo ago
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bogwog 4mo ago
"Free software" has always been a misleading term, unfortunately. Maybe calling it "Freedom software" instead would be clearer. But when you conflate free software with open source, you get confused people cheerleading their own abuse. Android is probably the worst offender here. Google Chrome, VSCode are others that come to mind.
miki123211 4mo ago
There's at least: source available - whether you can read the code open source - whether you can run (a modified version of) the code on some piece of hardware you own open hardware - whether the hardware they sell you lets you run modified versions of their code open contribution - whether they want your modifications free software - whether your modifications have to be open source too If it's at least source available, it can have any combination of these.
- nwah1 4mo ago
  open hardware to me means that you have access to all of the specifications for building the hardware. Things like when the laptop company Framework posts github repos full of CAD models. Or, initiatives like RISC V. And, alongside that, there's also open firmware. Unlocked hardware is maybe what I would call hardware that enables swapping out the software. Although, historically, we didn't even need a term for that, because that was the default aside from outliers like Apple.
- JacobKfromIRC 4mo ago
  I think your definition of "free software" is too strict, otherwise public domain software would not be free software
- yencabulator 4mo ago
  Your definition of free software conflicts with the FSF's: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicen... https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
functionmouse 4mo ago
The idea of free software, yes, is to own the code in a way that you can modify it to your needs. The idea of "open source" as a mantra is to confuse and muddle the ideas of free software in order to subvert the ideologists in that camp into supporting and furthering the goals of billionaire corporations. "Open source" as a calling card is intended to kill free software.

gricardo99 4mo ago

you can disable this feature by going to Settings > Privacy > Smart TV Experience.

nicman23 4mo ago
can you ? can you really ?
- gricardo99 4mo ago
  it’s open source now so presumably it’s harder to outright lie about how their system works.

ornornor 4mo ago

Samsung does that too and use it to sell you stuff, show you ads, and retarget you across devices! (Not saying it’s a good thing, but rather pointing out how common this is)

mijoharas 4mo ago
I'm really sick of the enshittification of smart TV's. A while after I've had my LG TV, and found every arcane different menu you need to remove all the ads. They started sending me ads via the notification pop-up. This continued even after finding and removing the consent for advertising (that I'd missed in one of the consent pop-ups.) I've considered and looked into "dumb" TVs, but I don't think they're for me. I just want one that's not enshittified!
- cryo32 4mo ago
  I just don't bother with television full stop.
  - deleted 4mo ago
    [deleted]
  - Geroke 4mo ago
    I can't say I have either since they tried to change the format to cinema from electronic theatre.
- surajrmal 4mo ago
  This is not "enshittification". That implies it's gotten worse over time. Smart TVs have been doing this from the beginning.
  - antonvs 4mo ago
    Smart TVs are the enshittification of regular TVs. An attempt to extract more money from the customer without providing a useful benefit.
  - 4mo ago

imglorp 4mo ago

Is this their dongles, TVs, or both?

thesuitonym 4mo ago
Both, and the speakerbars. Roku's business model is not selling hardware.

blackjack_ 4mo ago

Yeahhhh I had to disconnect mine from the internet due to this (I don’t want a display ad on the menu screen when I turn on my TV like WTF, my TV just enshittified itself randomly with an update that added this a year or two ago). Which would be fine but you can’t change the TV menu tile layout if you are disconnected from the internet… Just incredible layers of design stupidity here.

jp191919 4mo ago
I use pfblockerNG(like pi-hole but for pfsense) to block ads to my roku. And I set up pi-hole at family members houses to block ads and telemetry on theirs.

thesuitonym 4mo ago

Actually they don't want to open source it. This is the result of a lawsuit.

psadauskas 4mo ago

My router has a separate network for "appliances" (roku boxes, thermostats, etc) that has a very restrictive firewall that only allows internet access according to a manual allowlist.

b112 4mo ago
I feel a cold, dark anger everytime I see my fridge has a wifi connection. I live in a rural area, with an acre+ of land, but suspect my neighbours can still see it. And maybe an open wifi network of theirs can too.

naikrovek 4mo ago

it is amazing to me that the data collected by things like this is valuable enough to even consider implementing these things. advertising really has gotten well out of control. advertisers keep escalating, and i don't think that will ever stop. at some point the medium of television will be ruined, a lot like how mobile web browsing on ios is today. it seems like it will be necessary to ban this kind of thing, if advertising itself isn't banned entirely. they will not stop until they must break the law to proceed, and even then i'd give it 50/50 on them stopping collecting personal data.