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Except it's not "a little temporary safety" or "essential liberties". First, crime has come down by huge amounts in NYC. Some crimes, like murder are 1/4th or
by rmah 14y ago
Except it's not "a little temporary safety" or "essential liberties".
First, crime has come down by huge amounts in NYC. Some crimes, like murder are 1/4th or 1/5th of the peaks in the 1980's. For decades now, we've seen a huge increase in safety in NYC.
Second, I question whether most of the police actions are giving up essential liberties. I can see how some might think so, but I can see how many would not.
- pavel_lishin 14y agoI don't think that subway checkpoints and stop-and-frisks were part of the reason that crime went down; in fact, I'm pretty sure that subway checkpoints are a very recent post-911 creation. And I'd say that public transportation is a pretty essential liberty in NYC.
- w1ntermute 14y ago> First, crime has come down by huge amounts in NYC. As many other commenters have mentioned, the decrease in crime is not related to the removal of civil liberties. The crime decreases occurred prior to the implementation of many of these policies. > Second, I question whether most of the police actions are giving up essential liberties. I can see how some might think so, but I can see how many would not. They are infringing on constitutional rights. I don't see how those rights could be seen as anything but essential.
- rdtsc 14y agoIt seems you made a serious mistake -- you assumed that it is the stop and frisk and invasion of privacy and all these other police practices that lowered the crime rate. How do you know crime rate hasn't been lowered everywhere because of say, global warming?