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agree. This cant do as much as genuine therapy (which requires another person, no way around it). But it is helpful in some ways. It helped me talk through some
by smokedetector1 5mo ago
agree. This cant do as much as genuine therapy (which requires another person, no way around it). But it is helpful in some ways. It helped me talk through something last week and it genuinely enriched my life in that way.
- tonymet 5mo agoDoes therapy actually work? Not by the numbers. tons enrolled, none cured.
- thewebguyd 5mo agoWith most therapy the goal isn't to cure, but to manage and help cope in a healthy way. There are also plenty of mental illnesses or disorders that have no cure, and a few that are in the DSM because they cause problems with how our society is structured, not necessarily because its a true disorder (its only disorder because it causes issues functioning within societal systems).
- tonymet 5mo agoThey are made up. None of them are empirically or objectively defined
- bonoboTP 5mo agoI think it's neither made up, nor actual health care. It's basically a replacement for having cultural and social guard rails, lots of community, lots of straightforward expectations of roles etc. Today, people are atomized and lost, so they need a friend-and-priest-replacement who has authority but also patience to hear you out and has experience with judgement calls about people's lives. But all this talk about "healthy" ways of coping etc is basically just there for medicine-envy and insurance reasons. I think having one's mind/spirit sorted out is quite important, but the specific textbook strategies of today may be indeed mostly hogwash through a strict healthcare lens.
- smokedetector1 5mo agomuch therapy is basically what youre saying, but the real deal is not, and is a more genuine healing experience that can only be facilitated by an expert
- rendx 4mo agoOh! Just like happiness then! /s
- RickS 5mo agoWorked great for me. Big recommend. "Cured" is mostly an unspecifiable state, and while certainly there's lots still wrong with me, I am healed far beyond my expectations at the outset, so increment your count by one.
- tonymet 5mo agoCured would mean you are healed . No more therapeutics , no more abnormalities
- smokedetector1 5mo agothe psyche is not the same as the body, the model of “disease”/treatment/cure is not the same and analogies are of limited utility
- iammjm 5mo agoI dare you to find a single person without "abnormalities"
- everyday7732 5mo agoHealing probably is the wrong analogy. Is a person with a crutch healed? No. But they can walk, when before they could not. Therapy can't erase the past, but it can give people tools to live more capable and rich lives. A crutch doesn't regrow an amputated leg, but it does help that person handle the injury, so in that sense, it 'works'.
- komali2 5mo agoTherapy keeps people alive that wouldn't otherwise be, and people coping that wouldn't otherwise be able to. I've noticed that the human tolerance for extreme suffering leads sometimes to binary thinking. "Well they're still going to work even though they're made to piss in bottles, they must be fine with it!" Human experience is a wide array of emotions and states, I don't think we should try to separate into "cured/healthy" and "unhealthy/requiring adjustment by a mental health professional." Improving quality of life is also good.
- tonymet 5mo agoThe suicidality blackmail
- komali2 5mo agoPretty gross comment. Just say you're cool and awesome cause you don't care about people. Virtue signal and move on, why make try to make a fake discussion?
- tonymet 5mo agoI’m sincere . And blackmailing people this way is the gross part , not pointing it out
- HDThoreaun 5mo agoNot a single person who read this thread (including you) honestly believes you are trying to have a sincere discussion
- tonymet 5mo agoCertainly I do. The subject is if AI can be better than therapy. My position is : yes, because therapy (as commonly practiced) is terrible, so the bar is low. Also , AI can be a great therapy (in the real sense)
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- TurdF3rguson 5mo agoIt works at least as well as placebo!