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Amazon Has Axed Its New Stargate Series
- jazz9k 4mo agoThe new Quantum Leap was terrible and most of the new Star Trek shows were equally as bad. Maybe this is a good thing.
- ls612 4mo agoThe new Expanse was good though.
- seer 4mo agoSad they didn’t finish it. The later books seemed like they were written “to be movies/series” with less political stuff and more visuals / speculative sci-fi. Plus the story has an actual half decent conclusion. To me the plight of Hollywood is “forever shows” where the writers start without knowing where it would end, so shows never really “end” they just slowly fizzle out without ever getting to the end. I simply loved “the good place” for having such a powerful conclusion.
- rgblambda 4mo agoI'm currently reading the first book that takes place after the conclusion of the show. There's a large time jump and I suspect they didn't want to age up the actors for 3 seasons.
- Dig1t 4mo agoNot to mention what Amazon did the Lord of the Rings. It is probably a good thing.
- observationist 4mo agoHopefully we hit that mythical "hollywood level audio/video" AI before too much longer and really creative people can run pirate series.
- thedanbob 4mo agoWhen I first heard about the reboot all I could think of was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HeNZBItzps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HeNZBItzps I'm going to call this news a win.
- randallsquared 4mo agoIt wasn't a reboot, but a continuation. That doesn't mean it would have been good, of course (cf Universe), but better than a reboot.
- OutOfHere 4mo agoIf you haven't seen Stargate SG-1, it was one of the greatest shows. I would rather rewatch it than watch a bad remake. Stargate Atlantis was not half bad either. They will likely hire the cheapest script writer, who in turn will likely offload it to the cheapest LLM, resulting in derivative work that is not in any way creative or inspiring.
- HDThoreaun 4mo agoYea I watched stargate SG-1 and can confirm that plenty of media released post covid is not only half as great, but a good deal better.
- OutOfHere 4mo agoLike what (in sci-fi)? Not counting the Star Wars series, the last independent good scifi show that I recall was The Expanse, the majority of which was pre-Covid. In fairness, Foundation is okay, but not great.
- HDThoreaun 4mo agoIt's funny you mention the expanse because I find it similar to the stargate show. Solid, but in no way extraordinary. Now, I agree sci-fi especially TV has been a bit rough recently, but that's mostly because its not popular so there isnt much made, not anything to do with ability to make it. Still, there have been sci fi masterpieces released recently. Dune being the most obvious. Not an original story but a far more worthy production than stargate sg-1. Everything everywhere all at once was also more compelling than stargate imo but this might be where your anti woke complaints come in. Nope also fits this bill, but fine you dont have to love that. There are still examples which have no wokeness at all as far as I can tell. I found the foundation show to be similar quality to stargate sg-1, perhaps a bit worse I guess but in no way definitively worse. Topically I found project hail mary to be good enough, certainly no worse than stargate.
- readthenotes1 4mo ago
- le-mark 4mo ago> the studio were concerned that Gero’s take on the series “would not have broad appeal beyond the franchise’s already dedicated fanbase.” This is a key component in reviving a legacy IP It was popular because of who? The fans! No one needed the Disney-ization of Stargate. This is probably a good thing.
- iammiles 4mo agoThe framing here gives some good insight into other controversial Amazon adaptations.
- rgblambda 4mo agoAs bummed as I am by this news, I kinda understand the logic. The fan base likely didn't make up the majority of viewing figures when SG-1 and it's spin-offs were on the air. Otherwise, it would have been revived much sooner after their big bet on direct to DVD movies didn't pan out.
- jhogendorn 4mo agoAs far as I understand it, the movies were actually very successful, but there was some kind of internal politicking or studio issue and they just didnt continue.
- rgblambda 4mo agoThe co-creator of Stargate was interviewed about it and said: >The only thing that is blocking the SG-1 movie or the Atlantis movie, the only thing, is the fact that the direct-to-DVD market has gone away https://web.archive.org/web/20101001085140/https://tvdeathray.com/2010/09/27/interview-stargate-universe-co-creator-brad-wright-previews-season-2/ https://web.archive.org/web/20101001085140/https://tvdeathra... Interestingly, he also talked about the need to appeal to an audience outside of the existing fan base, quite relevant to the current discussion: >If you just try to hang on to the viewers you have and the numbers are going down, they’ll eventually go down to the point where the network and the studio will say, “OK, we’re done.” That’s what happens. That’s definitely what happens.
- ojkelly 4mo agoFor those who don’t know (which seems to be the entire comment section at the moment), the new show is/was not a remake, they intended to follow on from the existing series. I was pretty optimistic after watching the announcement [0] that this would be a decent show. Here’s hoping they’ve developed it enough that they can shop it around. [0] https://youtu.be/e82uV9sBt4I?si=ZY3qO4o8r1DH5voG https://youtu.be/e82uV9sBt4I?si=ZY3qO4o8r1DH5voG
- lucisferre 4mo agoGiven the IP situation, is shopping it around even on the table?
- randallsquared 4mo agoJoseph Mallozzi says it's not, and he was involved with the new series development. I suppose Amazon is making enough from the concept that they aren't interested in selling it.
- p1necone 4mo agoHow would they make anything from it if they aren't going to make the show?
- daemin 4mo agoThey aren't going to make _this_ show, they might make another show in the future, one catering to a broader (non-core-fan) audience.
- randallsquared 4mo agoPossibly it continues to stream frequently enough to be considered a contributor to Prime Video? Not sure if you can stream it other places, but if so, those fees would be continued revenue that might disappear if the reaction to a new show is poor.
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- mynegation 4mo agoI am still mad at them for cancelling Wheel of Time.
- losvedir 4mo agoOh no! This is how I found out they cancelled it.
- mynegation 4mo agoSorry, losvedir. Out of all places to read about it...
- fmajid 4mo agoTBH, it was a train wreck apart from the actresses who played Moiraine and Lanfear.
- mynegation 4mo agoIf you are measuring the show up against the books - I did not read them, so I loved it purely based on the show itself.
- fmajid 4mo agoYes, the TV show had massive departures from the books, but I was actually referring to the acting skill or lack thereof of most of the cast.
- diabllicseagull 4mo agoSame. The third season was great and left me wanting for more. Alas.
- chicagobob 4mo agoThat's a bummer. I literally started my latest rewatch because of this news.
- spicymaki 4mo agoGood! Did you really need more Stargate? Just watch the classic movie, and 200+ episodes of SG-1 and then 100+ episodes of Atlantis. Let these franchises rest.
- singingtoday 4mo agoI want more. Yes, I'm greedy.
- relyks 4mo agoAll the fans want more and a continuation of the story.
- calmbonsai 4mo agoYou are not alone. That 'verse has so much to explore and so many possible pathways and plot-lines yet requited. We know nothing about the Furlings.
- foxes 4mo agoTheir planet exploded though
- calmbonsai 4mo agoYup, but...survivors and possible causes and "rebel" plot-lines (e.g. Krypton).
- b65e8bee43c2ed0 4mo ago>Let these franchises rest. your beloved franchises vill be re-imagined for ze modern audience und there's nothing you can do about it. Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.
- johntash 4mo agoDon't forget to watch SGU too, and I think there were a few other movies too?
- throw7 4mo agoAmazon? I'm sure Macgyver would've had to be a woman. And make her gay.
- hdndjsbbs 4mo agoOh no, a sci-fi series making a character a woman? Like that famous train wreck Battlestar Galactica?
- atmavatar 4mo agoWho cares about Starbuck's gender swap when you have Number Six? I suppose if you make O'Neill a woman, you could bring in Vala earlier in the series as a similar distraction
- relyks 4mo agoWhy do they even make announcements that they're going into production and then casually cancel the show? Do they not know they are completely toying with the emotions of fans? Giving false hope is worse than no hope.
- calmbonsai 4mo agoWe didn't want a "fresh perspective" on Stargate. We just wanted more classic Stargate. Not at all related, "Star Trek: Starfleet Academy". ;)
- rayiner 4mo agoYup.
- dyauspitr 4mo agoThey would probably ruin it anyway. The new commander would probably be a woman and be totally bland like the lord of the rings thing they did. I don’t know anyone that has watched that.
- igor47 4mo agoMultiple comments on this thread about how bad it would be if the main character was a woman. Why is that so bad?
- dyauspitr 4mo agoMedia isn’t made for men anymore. I don’t believe you can make media that appeals to both men and women at the same time. It creates bland, tasteless media with no gravitas because you have to appeal to the widest possible base so all edginess and grit that give the movie memorable moments are completely removed.
- Kye 4mo agoThat's such a bleak view of men. I think they're more open to variety in their media than you give them credit for.
- dyauspitr 4mo agoI actually find that view of men inspiring. Depending on what “variety” you mean, an openness to that is depressing, infuriating even. It belies a rot, grinding down the best characteristics.
- Kye 4mo agoI can only match your level of specificity. What do you mean? You gestured vaguely in the direction of something. What do you consider "made for men" that isn't represented now?
- diabllicseagull 4mo agoMassive fumble imho. I'm still sad about the SGU cancellation. It had so much potential for the third season. If Amazon won't commit to a new Stargate show it should at least release it for others to do so. Currently, it's keeping the franchise hostage.
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- KevinMS 4mo ago> Variety reports that executives at the studio were concerned that Gero’s take on the series “would not have broad appeal beyond the franchise’s already dedicated fanbase.” in other words, it would have been good
- kilroy123 4mo agoIndeed
- pointlessone 4mo agoBroad appeal? You can’t do anything good aiming for broad appeal. People like too different things, they all don’t mash together well. If you add to many tings that appeal to different people you end up with incoherent mess. Instead of appealing to everyone you end up pissing off everyone in many different ways. Look at the Ring of Power. Did it have broad appeal? Maybe, first 2 episodes brought in 25 million viewers. The whole first season was watched by 150 millions, despite season completion being ~40%. For reference, X-Files pulled in more only in 1 of its 11 seasons with most under 20 mil, and Friends lowered in 20-25 mil with only one season being about 30 mil. So the numbers are impressive but do you know anyone who loves the Rings of Power? Anywhere near to how people love SG-1?
- gamblor956 4mo agoGiven the many commenters who are decrying a potentially "woke" version of the show simply because it might feature a female lead character who might act like a competent officer... ...This is probably for the best. Studios try to avoid catering to the incel fandom, as that scares away everyone else who might otherwise be interested. Also...SG-1 and Atlantis both featured competent women. Carter, Fraiser, and Weir were smart but not strong. Teyla was strong but not too bright. Most of the guest characters were minorities. The show was woke as heck.