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If things were designed well, it would be as easy as clicking the pin icon on the window border.

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gmueckl 5mo ago
How many buttons do you want on a window frame then? The typical 4 buttons already take a lot of space in the title bar. Not everything that seems like a good idea at first glance is actually good design.
- mx7zysuj4xew 5mo ago
  I've fucking had it with you people and your "design" As many buttons as he thinks he needs, and as a compromise they can be disabled by default and enabled through settings. Instead your ilk will probably remove even those remaining buttons and replace them with some obscure movement command
  - gmueckl 5mo ago
    No, I wouldn't. I'm not your enemy. Please don't antagonize people like that. It's rude and I considered not replying because of your tone. I have a pretty strong oppinion that GUI basics must be simple but more advanced stuff (e.g. tools that trainee professionals spend most of their workday in) must not hide its raw power because the user can be expected to learn. User interface essentials have to be understandable without mental gymnastics by default without appearing overwhelming. The overwhelming majority of computer users don't change defaults on most software and a shockingly big number of computer users deal with them only because they must, not because they derive joy from it. They don't engage deeply with these devices at all. So those defaults must be picked carefully to keep the UI approachable. This isn't the same as ripping out features or antagonizing power users that do bother to learn.
- thesuitonym 5mo ago
  I don't know man, everybody is fine with putting tabs, and searchbars, and a bunch of other shit in the titlebar, but god forbid we put one button that's actually incredibly useful.
  - gmueckl 5mo ago
    Try to move a browser window when you have 20+ tabs open. This is an incredibly bad UX.
    - redeeman 5mo ago
      alt + left mouse button anywhere in the window (maybe win button or something is default now). using the titlebar for moving a window is extremely backwards and productivity killer. that being said, I agree with you, and I think its an outright abomination to put the tabs in the titlebar, and its disgusting how crome and firefox by default removes the real titlebar
      - gmueckl 5mo ago
        Alt+LMB drag is impossible to do properly, at least on Windows, because too many applications use that for their own inputs. There are some X11 applications that also use that (Blender?), so while it's cool when it works, it comes with pretty severe problems.
        redeeman 5mo ago
        there might exist some programs that do it, but this might be why they changed default from alt to win key. in either case, that appears to be the very extreme minority of cases you have to move a window
        porridgeraisin 5mo ago
        Alt-drag works perfectly well on windows. I use a third party app called alt-drag to enable it. Has worked fine for years. It also allows you to use it with win-drag of course.
JCattheATM 4mo ago
That's what I have in my setup, six titlebar buttons: send to other screen, sticky among workspaces and always on top in addition to the base 3. Can't imagine ever using something that gives me less control again.

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How many buttons do you want on a window frame then? The typical 4 buttons already take a lot of space in the title bar. Not everything that seems like a good idea at first glance is actually good design.

mx7zysuj4xew 5mo ago
I've fucking had it with you people and your "design" As many buttons as he thinks he needs, and as a compromise they can be disabled by default and enabled through settings. Instead your ilk will probably remove even those remaining buttons and replace them with some obscure movement command
- gmueckl 5mo ago
  No, I wouldn't. I'm not your enemy. Please don't antagonize people like that. It's rude and I considered not replying because of your tone. I have a pretty strong oppinion that GUI basics must be simple but more advanced stuff (e.g. tools that trainee professionals spend most of their workday in) must not hide its raw power because the user can be expected to learn. User interface essentials have to be understandable without mental gymnastics by default without appearing overwhelming. The overwhelming majority of computer users don't change defaults on most software and a shockingly big number of computer users deal with them only because they must, not because they derive joy from it. They don't engage deeply with these devices at all. So those defaults must be picked carefully to keep the UI approachable. This isn't the same as ripping out features or antagonizing power users that do bother to learn.
thesuitonym 5mo ago
I don't know man, everybody is fine with putting tabs, and searchbars, and a bunch of other shit in the titlebar, but god forbid we put one button that's actually incredibly useful.
- gmueckl 5mo ago
  Try to move a browser window when you have 20+ tabs open. This is an incredibly bad UX.
  - redeeman 5mo ago
    alt + left mouse button anywhere in the window (maybe win button or something is default now). using the titlebar for moving a window is extremely backwards and productivity killer. that being said, I agree with you, and I think its an outright abomination to put the tabs in the titlebar, and its disgusting how crome and firefox by default removes the real titlebar
    - gmueckl 5mo ago
      Alt+LMB drag is impossible to do properly, at least on Windows, because too many applications use that for their own inputs. There are some X11 applications that also use that (Blender?), so while it's cool when it works, it comes with pretty severe problems.
      - redeeman 5mo ago
        there might exist some programs that do it, but this might be why they changed default from alt to win key. in either case, that appears to be the very extreme minority of cases you have to move a window
      - porridgeraisin 5mo ago
        Alt-drag works perfectly well on windows. I use a third party app called alt-drag to enable it. Has worked fine for years. It also allows you to use it with win-drag of course.

JCattheATM 4mo ago

That's what I have in my setup, six titlebar buttons: send to other screen, sticky among workspaces and always on top in addition to the base 3. Can't imagine ever using something that gives me less control again.