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Most people are not you. A small minority do things that really need X. However there is good reason to say that the things that really need X are things you

by bluGill 5mo ago

Most people are not you. A small minority do things that really need X. However there is good reason to say that the things that really need X are things you shouldn't do anyway. Meanwhile there is a slightly larger minority that need things that cannot be done in X. For the vast majority of people they cannot tell the difference, either works just fine. If there are issues they are tiny things they don't notice until somebody points it out - and then they forget in a few days.

krieger_857 5mo ago
(?) they didn't say otherwise
j1elo 5mo ago
> the things that really need X are things you shouldn't do anyway. I had just finished reading the link in the first post and, frankly, I'm grateful for.the insight it gives. I think we all should have more perspective than what we have around things that we take for granted. Wayland itself would be better if its own devs had done the same. https://nocoffei.com/?p=451 https://nocoffei.com/?p=451
LtWorf 5mo ago
> Meanwhile there is a slightly larger minority that need things that cannot be done in X. List of things that cannot be done in X:
- dwattttt 5mo ago
  That's not actually a good thing. General purpose programming languages as configuration file formats also give you "can do anything"; but when it comes time to try to improve or update the Python package ecosystem, you're forced to break backwards compatibility. Or give up on whole classes of improvements, because you can't constrain package behaviour at all.
  - LtWorf 5mo ago
    You mean like how wayland is breaking backwards compatibility?
    - dwattttt 5mo ago
      Yes, I do. And X11 is the "Or give up on whole classes of improvements, because you can't constrain package behaviour at all." Or really, give up on anything that might change behaviour, if you don't want to break back compat.
      - LtWorf 5mo ago
        The only improvement is isolation, which I don't care about since apps can all access my clipboard and my home anyway.

by bluGill 5mo ago

krieger_857 5mo ago

(?) they didn't say otherwise

j1elo 5mo ago

> the things that really need X are things you shouldn't do anyway. I had just finished reading the link in the first post and, frankly, I'm grateful for.the insight it gives. I think we all should have more perspective than what we have around things that we take for granted. Wayland itself would be better if its own devs had done the same. https://nocoffei.com/?p=451 https://nocoffei.com/?p=451

LtWorf 5mo ago

> Meanwhile there is a slightly larger minority that need things that cannot be done in X. List of things that cannot be done in X:

dwattttt 5mo ago
That's not actually a good thing. General purpose programming languages as configuration file formats also give you "can do anything"; but when it comes time to try to improve or update the Python package ecosystem, you're forced to break backwards compatibility. Or give up on whole classes of improvements, because you can't constrain package behaviour at all.
- LtWorf 5mo ago
  You mean like how wayland is breaking backwards compatibility?
  - dwattttt 5mo ago
    Yes, I do. And X11 is the "Or give up on whole classes of improvements, because you can't constrain package behaviour at all." Or really, give up on anything that might change behaviour, if you don't want to break back compat.
    - LtWorf 5mo ago
      The only improvement is isolation, which I don't care about since apps can all access my clipboard and my home anyway.