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I know nothing about the detailed technical differences between X11 and Wayland but with Hyprland for me the PIP is working as expected so I assume its not just

I know nothing about the detailed technical differences between X11 and Wayland but with Hyprland for me the PIP is working as expected so I assume its not just a Wayland issue but specific to the window manager you are using? Maybe somebody else can explain?

tambre 4mo ago
Gnome has a "Always on Top" toggle for each window. I imagine there's a protocol for an application to set it by default but the OP's window manager might not implement it or there might be an incompatibility.
- Zardoz84 4mo ago
  Plasma/KDE always had it.
- blendergeek 4mo ago
  But users do not want to have to toggle that for every PiP video they watch. Its why I am still on X11
  - babypuncher 4mo ago
    I can't speak for Gnome, but KDE makes it pretty easy to create rules that apply automatically to any new window that meets whatever arbitrary criteria you set.
    - kelnos 4mo ago
      That's terrible. That's an "unbreak my software" preference. User's shouldn't have to mess with that; things should just work in ways they expect, out of the box.
      - babypuncher 4mo ago
        I disagree. With how KDE handles this, I'm not at the mercy of the software vendor's whims on what windows stay on top and which ones don't. I have complete control through a standardized interface that can even be automated if I wish. Does it require a little more knowledge on the part of the user? Yes, but it's worth it because with that knowledge comes power.
- Vinnl 4mo ago
  Gnome has the same problem, that's why this exists: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4691/pip-on-top/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4691/pip-on-top/
yjftsjthsd-h 4mo ago
Isn't that usually how it goes? Wayland is a million little optional protocols, which in the abstract is a lovely idea but in practice means which things work depends on which grab-bag of features your compositor supports.
- gf000 4mo ago
  It's a bit like the web. You have a pretty slow moving list of "protocols" that are well-supported by everyone, and some "new experimental" ones that are only supported by one or two.
senfiaj 4mo ago
As far as I know, there are multiple Wayland implementations. Which is also not good because it creates fragmentation and potential inconsistencies (some subtle differences in behavior, differences in bugs, etc). Maybe Hyprland solves the issue, but I don't want to use this DE just because it solves this particular issue. I have tons of other needs and preferences.
moritzruth 4mo ago
I think in Hyprland it just works because floating windows stay on top by definition.

tambre 4mo ago

Gnome has a "Always on Top" toggle for each window. I imagine there's a protocol for an application to set it by default but the OP's window manager might not implement it or there might be an incompatibility.

Zardoz84 4mo ago
Plasma/KDE always had it.
blendergeek 4mo ago
But users do not want to have to toggle that for every PiP video they watch. Its why I am still on X11
- babypuncher 4mo ago
  I can't speak for Gnome, but KDE makes it pretty easy to create rules that apply automatically to any new window that meets whatever arbitrary criteria you set.
  - kelnos 4mo ago
    That's terrible. That's an "unbreak my software" preference. User's shouldn't have to mess with that; things should just work in ways they expect, out of the box.
    - babypuncher 4mo ago
      I disagree. With how KDE handles this, I'm not at the mercy of the software vendor's whims on what windows stay on top and which ones don't. I have complete control through a standardized interface that can even be automated if I wish. Does it require a little more knowledge on the part of the user? Yes, but it's worth it because with that knowledge comes power.
Vinnl 4mo ago
Gnome has the same problem, that's why this exists: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4691/pip-on-top/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4691/pip-on-top/

yjftsjthsd-h 4mo ago

Isn't that usually how it goes? Wayland is a million little optional protocols, which in the abstract is a lovely idea but in practice means which things work depends on which grab-bag of features your compositor supports.

gf000 4mo ago
It's a bit like the web. You have a pretty slow moving list of "protocols" that are well-supported by everyone, and some "new experimental" ones that are only supported by one or two.

senfiaj 4mo ago

As far as I know, there are multiple Wayland implementations. Which is also not good because it creates fragmentation and potential inconsistencies (some subtle differences in behavior, differences in bugs, etc). Maybe Hyprland solves the issue, but I don't want to use this DE just because it solves this particular issue. I have tons of other needs and preferences.

moritzruth 4mo ago

I think in Hyprland it just works because floating windows stay on top by definition.