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I've been using Kubuntu for the past 12 years without any X-related issue, and have and am actively working on stuff that requires it. I guess it's time to swit

I've been using Kubuntu for the past 12 years without any X-related issue, and have and am actively working on stuff that requires it. I guess it's time to switch to another DE.

exe34 5mo ago
try xmonad and dmenu. You don't need a desktop environment!
- zubspace 5mo ago
  Interesting. But the only thing I would miss, is something like a settings menu. Or do you really expect me to fiddle around in config files to configure basic stuff like wifi? Or am I just stupid? Oh wait, I could use claude for that....
  - exe34 5mo ago
    nmtui
    - zubspace 5mo ago
      Thanks for the recommendation, but "nmtui" is also the most Linux answer you could have given me :) And it completely misses the point. Yes, there’s a lightweight tool for everything, but the appeal of KDE is that I don’t need to know. It mostly just works, is extendable and configurable. But i also understand the appeal of staying minimal. The thing is, i want some kind of middleground: I want a simple tiling window manager. But i also want to easily install and configure stuff without falling back to the command line. Maybe it's also brain damage of using too much Windows (with wsl). But there I have a different problem: It's easy to install and configure stuff, but it's everything else than minimal.
      - exe34 5mo ago
        I have jgmenu mapped to F4 but I never remember to use it. I usually just CMD+P and type what I need. I can see the appeal of KDE - I just got fed up of things breaking when I did mandatory upgrades for security. I don't have to choose between stability and security. After 10+ years, I would find it harder to go pecking through menus for what I need when I can just type it.
      - coryrc 5mo ago
        XFCE. Supports the tray plugins, has GUI settings, I don't ever have to use the CLI to configure it (actually... I'm not even sure how I would...).
      - JCattheATM 5mo ago
        > Maybe it's also brain damage of using too much Windows (with wsl). But there I have a different problem: It's easy to install and configure stuff, but it's everything else than minimal. You could make your own tiny Windows 'distro' building on Tiny 11.
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bluGill 5mo ago
Most people are not you. A small minority do things that really need X. However there is good reason to say that the things that really need X are things you shouldn't do anyway. Meanwhile there is a slightly larger minority that need things that cannot be done in X. For the vast majority of people they cannot tell the difference, either works just fine. If there are issues they are tiny things they don't notice until somebody points it out - and then they forget in a few days.
- krieger_857 5mo ago
  (?) they didn't say otherwise
- j1elo 5mo ago
  > the things that really need X are things you shouldn't do anyway. I had just finished reading the link in the first post and, frankly, I'm grateful for.the insight it gives. I think we all should have more perspective than what we have around things that we take for granted. Wayland itself would be better if its own devs had done the same. https://nocoffei.com/?p=451 https://nocoffei.com/?p=451
- LtWorf 5mo ago
  > Meanwhile there is a slightly larger minority that need things that cannot be done in X. List of things that cannot be done in X:
  - dwattttt 5mo ago
    That's not actually a good thing. General purpose programming languages as configuration file formats also give you "can do anything"; but when it comes time to try to improve or update the Python package ecosystem, you're forced to break backwards compatibility. Or give up on whole classes of improvements, because you can't constrain package behaviour at all.
    - LtWorf 5mo ago
      You mean like how wayland is breaking backwards compatibility?

I've been using Kubuntu for the past 12 years without any X-related issue, and have and am actively working on stuff that requires it. I guess it's time to switch to another DE.

exe34 5mo ago

try xmonad and dmenu. You don't need a desktop environment!

zubspace 5mo ago
Interesting. But the only thing I would miss, is something like a settings menu. Or do you really expect me to fiddle around in config files to configure basic stuff like wifi? Or am I just stupid? Oh wait, I could use claude for that....
- exe34 5mo ago
  nmtui
  - zubspace 5mo ago
    Thanks for the recommendation, but "nmtui" is also the most Linux answer you could have given me :) And it completely misses the point. Yes, there’s a lightweight tool for everything, but the appeal of KDE is that I don’t need to know. It mostly just works, is extendable and configurable. But i also understand the appeal of staying minimal. The thing is, i want some kind of middleground: I want a simple tiling window manager. But i also want to easily install and configure stuff without falling back to the command line. Maybe it's also brain damage of using too much Windows (with wsl). But there I have a different problem: It's easy to install and configure stuff, but it's everything else than minimal.
    - exe34 5mo ago
      I have jgmenu mapped to F4 but I never remember to use it. I usually just CMD+P and type what I need. I can see the appeal of KDE - I just got fed up of things breaking when I did mandatory upgrades for security. I don't have to choose between stability and security. After 10+ years, I would find it harder to go pecking through menus for what I need when I can just type it.
    - coryrc 5mo ago
      XFCE. Supports the tray plugins, has GUI settings, I don't ever have to use the CLI to configure it (actually... I'm not even sure how I would...).
    - JCattheATM 5mo ago
      > Maybe it's also brain damage of using too much Windows (with wsl). But there I have a different problem: It's easy to install and configure stuff, but it's everything else than minimal. You could make your own tiny Windows 'distro' building on Tiny 11.
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bluGill 5mo ago

Most people are not you. A small minority do things that really need X. However there is good reason to say that the things that really need X are things you shouldn't do anyway. Meanwhile there is a slightly larger minority that need things that cannot be done in X. For the vast majority of people they cannot tell the difference, either works just fine. If there are issues they are tiny things they don't notice until somebody points it out - and then they forget in a few days.

krieger_857 5mo ago
(?) they didn't say otherwise
j1elo 5mo ago
> the things that really need X are things you shouldn't do anyway. I had just finished reading the link in the first post and, frankly, I'm grateful for.the insight it gives. I think we all should have more perspective than what we have around things that we take for granted. Wayland itself would be better if its own devs had done the same. https://nocoffei.com/?p=451 https://nocoffei.com/?p=451
LtWorf 5mo ago
> Meanwhile there is a slightly larger minority that need things that cannot be done in X. List of things that cannot be done in X:
- dwattttt 5mo ago
  That's not actually a good thing. General purpose programming languages as configuration file formats also give you "can do anything"; but when it comes time to try to improve or update the Python package ecosystem, you're forced to break backwards compatibility. Or give up on whole classes of improvements, because you can't constrain package behaviour at all.
  - LtWorf 5mo ago
    You mean like how wayland is breaking backwards compatibility?