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Similarly on the higher end, I want to run linux on Apple Macbook laptops.

ExoticPearTree 4mo ago
Isn't there Asahi Linux that boots on Apple Silicon? Never tried it, but people here on HN mention it from time to time.
- nbf_1995 4mo ago
  There is but it lags behind the latest apple hardware. Asahi only supports M1, M2, and alpha support for M3. Not that I blame them for the lag, there's a lot of reversing work because apple doesn't document this stuff.
rafaelmn 4mo ago
Leave the drivers/power management to the optimized OS and do your work in VM ?
- fsflover 4mo ago
  This will not save you from things like this: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application (twitter.com/lapcatsoftware) 2603 points by mattsolle on Nov 12, 2020 | 1292 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959
jjtheblunt 4mo ago
I do this nonstop using the UTM app in Apple Silicon virtualization, not QEMU, mode. I've done this from M2, M2 Max, and M5 machines, it basically wraps the hypervisor.framework (or the current name) and i had used Asahi on an M1 before that. With UTM wrapping hypervisor.framework, i have a complete fullscreen desktop running Linux (i use fedora earlier but Arch the last several months) with full graphics as if it were on a dedicated host. Because it's running in an Apple Silicon hypervisor, i have macos tahoe running concurrently on separate desktops: no dual booting unlike when i was using Asahi. I haven't looked to see if i can access graphics hardware directly or if it's hidden behind a virtio layer in UTM's wrapping of the hypervisor.framewirk.
- gigatexal 4mo ago
  It’s surprisingly good to do with full screen and the Apple hvm is very nice. Don’t let the experimental tag scare you.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 4mo ago
  Are you able to play Steam games?
  - mswphd 4mo ago
    posted as a sibling to your comment, but you'd likely be interested in https://scottjg.com/posts/2026-05-05-egpu-mac-gaming/ https://scottjg.com/posts/2026-05-05-egpu-mac-gaming/
  - jjtheblunt 4mo ago
    never tried so I don't know. it's easy for you to fire it up and try though
  - musicale 4mo ago
    You can play 64-bit macOS Steam games using ... Steam for macOS. This works fine (at least until they kill Rosetta2), though you are still translating x86. And most Windows Steam games (32- or 64-bit) via Crossover. (Expect about half the frame rate of a native ARM/Metal port at the same settings.) But you may be asking whether you can run Proton well in a Linux VM. I think it would depend on having a good Vulkan implementation that works well with a hardware GPU, so I expect the answer is yes with an eGPU, no with the internal GPU.
    - int_19h 4mo ago
      > You can play 64-bit macOS Steam games using ... Steam for macOS Assuming they are kept updated. Unfortunately, the way macOS works is that Apple expects developers to constantly update their apps to keep them working on newer macOS versions, and for games especially this is often not the case a few years after the release. Worse yet, many titles are marked as working, but if you actually try to use them, various things break, e.g. hi-DPI.

Isn't there Asahi Linux that boots on Apple Silicon? Never tried it, but people here on HN mention it from time to time.

nbf_1995 4mo ago
There is but it lags behind the latest apple hardware. Asahi only supports M1, M2, and alpha support for M3. Not that I blame them for the lag, there's a lot of reversing work because apple doesn't document this stuff.

rafaelmn 4mo ago

Leave the drivers/power management to the optimized OS and do your work in VM ?

fsflover 4mo ago
This will not save you from things like this: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application (twitter.com/lapcatsoftware) 2603 points by mattsolle on Nov 12, 2020 | 1292 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959

jjtheblunt 4mo ago

I do this nonstop using the UTM app in Apple Silicon virtualization, not QEMU, mode. I've done this from M2, M2 Max, and M5 machines, it basically wraps the hypervisor.framework (or the current name) and i had used Asahi on an M1 before that. With UTM wrapping hypervisor.framework, i have a complete fullscreen desktop running Linux (i use fedora earlier but Arch the last several months) with full graphics as if it were on a dedicated host. Because it's running in an Apple Silicon hypervisor, i have macos tahoe running concurrently on separate desktops: no dual booting unlike when i was using Asahi. I haven't looked to see if i can access graphics hardware directly or if it's hidden behind a virtio layer in UTM's wrapping of the hypervisor.framewirk.

gigatexal 4mo ago
It’s surprisingly good to do with full screen and the Apple hvm is very nice. Don’t let the experimental tag scare you.
OsrsNeedsf2P 4mo ago
Are you able to play Steam games?
- mswphd 4mo ago
  posted as a sibling to your comment, but you'd likely be interested in https://scottjg.com/posts/2026-05-05-egpu-mac-gaming/ https://scottjg.com/posts/2026-05-05-egpu-mac-gaming/
- jjtheblunt 4mo ago
  never tried so I don't know. it's easy for you to fire it up and try though
- musicale 4mo ago
  You can play 64-bit macOS Steam games using ... Steam for macOS. This works fine (at least until they kill Rosetta2), though you are still translating x86. And most Windows Steam games (32- or 64-bit) via Crossover. (Expect about half the frame rate of a native ARM/Metal port at the same settings.) But you may be asking whether you can run Proton well in a Linux VM. I think it would depend on having a good Vulkan implementation that works well with a hardware GPU, so I expect the answer is yes with an eGPU, no with the internal GPU.
  - int_19h 4mo ago
    > You can play 64-bit macOS Steam games using ... Steam for macOS Assuming they are kept updated. Unfortunately, the way macOS works is that Apple expects developers to constantly update their apps to keep them working on newer macOS versions, and for games especially this is often not the case a few years after the release. Worse yet, many titles are marked as working, but if you actually try to use them, various things break, e.g. hi-DPI.