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You can't sign up for a Facebook account without giving a live selfie. Any image of your family you post will be scraped by Clearview AI, bypassing the restric

You can't sign up for a Facebook account without giving a live selfie. Any image of your family you post will be scraped by Clearview AI, bypassing the restrictions that make it hard for you to create accounts, to create a worldwide facial recognition system.

simulator5g 5mo ago
Well yeah, Facebook has been a data harvesting scheme from the beginning. It was originally called LifeLog. It is not part of the “free” web.
- Cthulhu_ 5mo ago
  Indeed, well before Clearview, Facebook demonstrated they can identify faces and asked people to tag people in it, creating one of the earlier massive facial ID databases.
asdefghyk 5mo ago
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drivebyhooting 5mo ago
It gets worse. Banks now require pictures of faces to fucking close the account and pull the money out.
- IAmGraydon 5mo ago
  You find it to be a negative that banks require identity verification to drain an account? Personally, I would refuse to keep my money with a bank that doesn’t do this.
  - iririririr 5mo ago
    most banks using faceid won't accept you go to a branch. because they contract with a provider who makes more money from building and selling a database than to fulfilling the contract with the banks.
    - rockskon 5mo ago
      Do you have proof of this? This comes off as conjecture.
      - iririririr 5mo ago
        ask you ai chatbot or do 5second google search. all banks contract with fly-by-night faceid providers who have zero oversight or provide no governance info anywhere.
        rockskon 5mo ago
        I did Google this. It seems to be a small number of banks doing this right now. A far cry from "all banks". Maybe we'll get there eventually? But you should be more wary about making such absolute claims.
        iririririr 5mo ago
        "all banks doing faceid", which yes, is a small number in usa, but almost all banks in Latin America and Asia.
  - drivebyhooting 5mo ago
    The relationship was established decades ago and they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. But to get the money out? Oh no! We need a picture of your face! And there’s no option for going in person.
    - ethmarks 5mo ago
      > they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. But to get the money out? Oh no! We need a picture of your face! Unauthorized deposits aren't nearly as much of a concern as unauthorized withdrawals, right? I'd imagine that there are far fewer malicious actors that try to deposit money into random bank accounts than there are ones that try to withdraw money from random bank accounts. > And there’s no option for going in person. Won't an in-person bank also take pictures of you via security cameras? I don't really understand your objection here, could you elaborate?
      - drivebyhooting 5mo ago
        It used to be that you could expect to not have your likeness captured and transmitted to third parties for their AI model training and who knows what other nefarious purposes. It seems like all expectation of privacy and anonymity evaporated in the last 5 years.
      - rockskon 5mo ago
        A bank's security camera feed isn't likely to be sold to dozens of companies. It is all but guaranteed for Internet-based facial recognition services. Hacked facial recognition data already is reportedly being used by scammers to not only bypass bank security but also to impersonate people to target their loved ones. There is no lasting security gain by providing a selfie. There is a lasting security and privacy loss, however.
        SiempreViernes 5mo ago
        So that's the concern? But GDPR solved this, just don't consent to them selling your likeness for AI training purposes.
  - Cthulhu_ 5mo ago
    I'd consider it a negative that they trust a shitty webcam / selfie camera to cut the expenses of having an actual office with trained personnel. Who aren't flawless of course, but selfies have been easily circumvented with photos or video game cameras. Hell, at one point we had to implement age verification for a Japanese tobacco product website via a 3rd party vendor, I just used the wiki page's picture of a Japanese ID to test it, worked fine.
    - megous 5mo ago
      Yeah, it's ridiculous in an age where you can have backgrounds replaced on the fly in video calls.
- KellyCriterion 5mo ago
  ATM are taking a picture when withdrawing since decades :-)
LazyGooze 5mo ago
just use a video of a video game character and pause the video at the required face positions
TheOtherHobbes 5mo ago
FB's policy on this is patchy. I've known people who have had accounts for years, who were suddenly asked to provide a selfie - often after posting political content. Their accounts were then either locked down permanently, or unlocked. I also know people who created accounts from scratch without needing a selfie while connecting exclusively through a VPN. (Only some VPNs, work apparently.) Supposedly FB uses device ID tracking, so if you're picked for selfie ID on a device and try to create an alt, you'll be selfie-ID'd again. Using a different browser on desktop solves the problem for desktop but not for mobile. And so on. Basically it's doable, sometimes. And sometimes it isn't.
- tencentshill 5mo ago
  Seems fairly robust. So why is spam and misinformation so incredibly rampant still?

simulator5g 5mo ago

Well yeah, Facebook has been a data harvesting scheme from the beginning. It was originally called LifeLog. It is not part of the “free” web.

Cthulhu_ 5mo ago
Indeed, well before Clearview, Facebook demonstrated they can identify faces and asked people to tag people in it, creating one of the earlier massive facial ID databases.

asdefghyk 5mo ago

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drivebyhooting 5mo ago

It gets worse. Banks now require pictures of faces to fucking close the account and pull the money out.

IAmGraydon 5mo ago
You find it to be a negative that banks require identity verification to drain an account? Personally, I would refuse to keep my money with a bank that doesn’t do this.
- iririririr 5mo ago
  most banks using faceid won't accept you go to a branch. because they contract with a provider who makes more money from building and selling a database than to fulfilling the contract with the banks.
  - rockskon 5mo ago
    Do you have proof of this? This comes off as conjecture.
    - iririririr 5mo ago
      ask you ai chatbot or do 5second google search. all banks contract with fly-by-night faceid providers who have zero oversight or provide no governance info anywhere.
      - rockskon 5mo ago
        I did Google this. It seems to be a small number of banks doing this right now. A far cry from "all banks". Maybe we'll get there eventually? But you should be more wary about making such absolute claims.
        iririririr 5mo ago
        "all banks doing faceid", which yes, is a small number in usa, but almost all banks in Latin America and Asia.
- drivebyhooting 5mo ago
  The relationship was established decades ago and they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. But to get the money out? Oh no! We need a picture of your face! And there’s no option for going in person.
  - ethmarks 5mo ago
    > they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. But to get the money out? Oh no! We need a picture of your face! Unauthorized deposits aren't nearly as much of a concern as unauthorized withdrawals, right? I'd imagine that there are far fewer malicious actors that try to deposit money into random bank accounts than there are ones that try to withdraw money from random bank accounts. > And there’s no option for going in person. Won't an in-person bank also take pictures of you via security cameras? I don't really understand your objection here, could you elaborate?
    - drivebyhooting 5mo ago
      It used to be that you could expect to not have your likeness captured and transmitted to third parties for their AI model training and who knows what other nefarious purposes. It seems like all expectation of privacy and anonymity evaporated in the last 5 years.
    - rockskon 5mo ago
      A bank's security camera feed isn't likely to be sold to dozens of companies. It is all but guaranteed for Internet-based facial recognition services. Hacked facial recognition data already is reportedly being used by scammers to not only bypass bank security but also to impersonate people to target their loved ones. There is no lasting security gain by providing a selfie. There is a lasting security and privacy loss, however.
      - SiempreViernes 5mo ago
        So that's the concern? But GDPR solved this, just don't consent to them selling your likeness for AI training purposes.
- Cthulhu_ 5mo ago
  I'd consider it a negative that they trust a shitty webcam / selfie camera to cut the expenses of having an actual office with trained personnel. Who aren't flawless of course, but selfies have been easily circumvented with photos or video game cameras. Hell, at one point we had to implement age verification for a Japanese tobacco product website via a 3rd party vendor, I just used the wiki page's picture of a Japanese ID to test it, worked fine.
  - megous 5mo ago
    Yeah, it's ridiculous in an age where you can have backgrounds replaced on the fly in video calls.
KellyCriterion 5mo ago
ATM are taking a picture when withdrawing since decades :-)

LazyGooze 5mo ago

just use a video of a video game character and pause the video at the required face positions

TheOtherHobbes 5mo ago

FB's policy on this is patchy. I've known people who have had accounts for years, who were suddenly asked to provide a selfie - often after posting political content. Their accounts were then either locked down permanently, or unlocked. I also know people who created accounts from scratch without needing a selfie while connecting exclusively through a VPN. (Only some VPNs, work apparently.) Supposedly FB uses device ID tracking, so if you're picked for selfie ID on a device and try to create an alt, you'll be selfie-ID'd again. Using a different browser on desktop solves the problem for desktop but not for mobile. And so on. Basically it's doable, sometimes. And sometimes it isn't.

tencentshill 5mo ago
Seems fairly robust. So why is spam and misinformation so incredibly rampant still?