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> just like their GPUs are So with proprietary blobs that give you more trouble that they're worth?

by Matl 4mo ago

wmf 4mo ago
Those blobs are worth $5T; show some respect.
- cromka 4mo ago
  Kids these days, amirite?
- Danox 4mo ago
  Bubble incoming....
HerbManic 4mo ago
Depends. It is the typical Nvidia problem. Everything is a black box but when it all works it is the best option available. But when it breaks, you hate them with a passion.
lmm 4mo ago
What trouble? If you want a GPU that works on Linux, let alone FreeBSD, you buy nVidia, install their drivers and get on with your life (and sure, maybe you can't use Wayland, but why would you want to?). I'm all for open-source in theory, but in practice the AMD drivers cause far more trouble than the nVidia ones ever do.
- abenga 4mo ago
  After I switched from Nvidia to AMD GPUs on my main rig, I can now run Sid without issue and upgrade my Kernel whenever I want to without getting a black screen with a blinking cursor on the next boot.
  - freedomben 4mo ago
    Indeed. Having a machine where I don't live in fear after every reboot is a killer feature for AMD
  - lmm 4mo ago
    > Sid Are you refusing to use the Nvidia binary drivers and/or a setup like DKMS that ensures kernel modules are rebuilt as necessary? While I respect the principle, it's a problem you're creating for yourself. > upgrade my Kernel whenever I want to without getting a black screen with a blinking cursor on the next boot. Really? I had very much the opposite experience.
    - abenga 4mo ago
      I installed the drivers according https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Yet every time a new kernel is released (note that this is new, new kernels, e.g. at the moment I am using 7.0.10, just one point release off the current tippy tip 7.0.11), whether or not Nvidia drivers would work after boot was a crapshoot. Maybe it's better now, seeing as they are trying to open source some part of the drivers, I guess. It got so troublesome at the time that I just got a 7800XT to replace my old 2070. Never had the issue again.
bigstrat2003 4mo ago
I've never had a single problem with my Nvidia GPUs on Linux.
- Matl 4mo ago
  It can work quite well in the desktop GPU 'happy path' (single monitor etc.) if you don't care about the proprietary nature of it. But once we're talking about laptops, hybrid graphics etc. it quickly shows that this is not a platform Nvidia cares about.
  - raudette 4mo ago
    Agree - but even for the basic use case, it has not been trouble free for me. With a simple 1080p display on a desktop running LTS Ubuntu on an older 3060: - I've had updates where stuff just stopped working and I had to futz around with drivers - Just the fact that you have to 'pick' from a selection of drivers (which one won't you hit issues with for your use case?) - At least on mine, there have been display glitches on suspend/resume - as it's a desktop, I just leave it running Just anecdotal, but I never had these issues with the desktop AMD APU I had before it or Intel on board graphics on numerous laptops.

> just like their GPUs are So with proprietary blobs that give you more trouble that they're worth?

by Matl 4mo ago

> just like their GPUs are So with proprietary blobs that give you more trouble that they're worth?

wmf 4mo ago

Those blobs are worth $5T; show some respect.

cromka 4mo ago
Kids these days, amirite?
Danox 4mo ago
Bubble incoming....

HerbManic 4mo ago

Depends. It is the typical Nvidia problem. Everything is a black box but when it all works it is the best option available. But when it breaks, you hate them with a passion.

lmm 4mo ago

What trouble? If you want a GPU that works on Linux, let alone FreeBSD, you buy nVidia, install their drivers and get on with your life (and sure, maybe you can't use Wayland, but why would you want to?). I'm all for open-source in theory, but in practice the AMD drivers cause far more trouble than the nVidia ones ever do.

abenga 4mo ago
After I switched from Nvidia to AMD GPUs on my main rig, I can now run Sid without issue and upgrade my Kernel whenever I want to without getting a black screen with a blinking cursor on the next boot.
- freedomben 4mo ago
  Indeed. Having a machine where I don't live in fear after every reboot is a killer feature for AMD
- lmm 4mo ago
  > Sid Are you refusing to use the Nvidia binary drivers and/or a setup like DKMS that ensures kernel modules are rebuilt as necessary? While I respect the principle, it's a problem you're creating for yourself. > upgrade my Kernel whenever I want to without getting a black screen with a blinking cursor on the next boot. Really? I had very much the opposite experience.
  - abenga 4mo ago
    I installed the drivers according https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Yet every time a new kernel is released (note that this is new, new kernels, e.g. at the moment I am using 7.0.10, just one point release off the current tippy tip 7.0.11), whether or not Nvidia drivers would work after boot was a crapshoot. Maybe it's better now, seeing as they are trying to open source some part of the drivers, I guess. It got so troublesome at the time that I just got a 7800XT to replace my old 2070. Never had the issue again.

bigstrat2003 4mo ago

I've never had a single problem with my Nvidia GPUs on Linux.

Matl 4mo ago
It can work quite well in the desktop GPU 'happy path' (single monitor etc.) if you don't care about the proprietary nature of it. But once we're talking about laptops, hybrid graphics etc. it quickly shows that this is not a platform Nvidia cares about.
- raudette 4mo ago
  Agree - but even for the basic use case, it has not been trouble free for me. With a simple 1080p display on a desktop running LTS Ubuntu on an older 3060: - I've had updates where stuff just stopped working and I had to futz around with drivers - Just the fact that you have to 'pick' from a selection of drivers (which one won't you hit issues with for your use case?) - At least on mine, there have been display glitches on suspend/resume - as it's a desktop, I just leave it running Just anecdotal, but I never had these issues with the desktop AMD APU I had before it or Intel on board graphics on numerous laptops.